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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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I've seen those videos. The objects were at 80,000 ft traveling at Sonic speeds as recorded by jets flying in the vicinity. The object also took a sudden left so fast that our radars could not lock in the position. All to say that it is ok to entertain that these are not identified by human technology and they may not be our drones.

Maybe they’re testing tech that tricks pilots and tracking systems into seeing things that aren’t there, or things that distract the sensors and pilots so the real craft can make a hasty escape.

What would be the point of such testing when we don't have the means to follow such targets?

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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I was a skeptic of a lot of things until I saw some flying orbs around Mount Shasta, California last October. I saw similar moving orbs again in upstate NY this year on two occasions. I don't know what I saw but they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors. Anyone here ever see something similar?

This is totally hypothetical, but if these orbs and weird multicolored lights were actual physical craft I can in fact think of a physically plausible propulsion system that might look like that.

We know how to build two kinds of rockets: high thrust rockets with low specific impulse (Merlin, Raptor, SSME, F-1, etc.) and low thrust rockets with high specific impulse (ion thrusters). Excluding crazy stuff like thermonuclear pulse propulsion, we do not know how to build a rocket that is both high specific impulse and high thrust.

There is no physical reason to believe that such a thing is impossible though. We just don't (at least in the declassified world?) know how to build one.

A rocket that's both high thrust and high specific impulse would have a thrust whose particles are traveling at probably near relativistic speeds. Think of it as using a high efficiency high throughput particle accelerator as a rocket.

The performance of such a thing would be simply awesome, especially in terms of "delta-V budget" as per the rocket equation. In physics terms it's a plain old reaction engine but to someone ignorant of the tech it would look almost like anti-gravity or some other kind of magic.

Now here's where it gets kind of neat. What would such a thing look like visually if it were operating in the atmosphere?

Those crazy high energy exhaust particles would immediately collide with the atmosphere and emit light. The light would be a mix of the emission spectra of whatever the exhaust is made of and atmospheric gases. If the exhaust contained heavier stuff like metal ions the colors could be vivid and bright. Brightness and possibly color could change based on thrust and thrust vectoring.

It would look like a flying orb or a neon light show.

It would also be dangerous if you were anywhere close to it since it would kick off quite a lot of heat and probably X-rays or worse. If it were truly near-relativistic it would probably ignite small amounts of nuclear fusion in the atmosphere and emit neutrons and gamma rays too. I imagine that might give it a little more power too, like an afterburner from hell. I imagine there would be RF emissions as well.

The craft itself would be hot as hell too since the power requirements would be at least in the hundreds of megawatts. Even if the power source and thrusters had really high efficiency, the second law of thermodynamics would require the craft to dump at least tens of megawatts of heat overboard somehow. It would light up brightly in the infrared and be really obvious to FLIR.

Small craft using a thruster like that might look like flying orbs or multicolored light shows. A much larger more powerful one could probably attain velocities that would allow interstellar travel in "reasonable" time frames... for something with a really long life span or non-biological that is.

Again just speculation, but AFAIK does not violate any known physics and would match quite a lot of UFO reports.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Only once: While on an Army training exercise at Fort Irwin California, through the IR scope of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, at night (~ 9:45 PM) in the summer of 2009. I was gazing at the exhaust of a hovering black hawk when a perfectly spherical, very hot, object moved into my field of view. It was behind the helicopter, and as I followed it I realized It was rotating 360 degrees -- at an unknown distance -- around…

Were you able to get any footage? Yeah, we are both in the same place. I want to be a rational as possible but I also want to believe we are not alone in the universe. This is as human of a feeling as I know, right?

It's unlikely that we are alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_...

Is anyone visiting? That's more far-fetched given the distances and such.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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I hate to be the pedant, but UFO really does just mean unidentified flying object. Everything is a UFO before you know what it is, so this isn't even a lie.

That's just the "literally" argument again. Literally doesn't mean literally, and UFO means flying saucer.

No, literally means literally, it's just picked up a figurative use, just like UFO actually means unidentified flying object, with a colloquial meaning of alien spaceship.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. The principles of science do not allow us to rule out the possibility that these events are the result of alien life or supernatural phenomena. But it does give us plenty of evidence that there are more mundane, more plausible explanations. And when you're faced with a potentially world-changing revelation, like confirmed contact with extraterrestrial life, it is bas…

I understand all that. If the entities actually behaved as described (which is a big if, no doubt - people make mistakes and a military test might be trying hard to deceive them) - no visible exhaust, massive instaneous acceleration/deceleration, etc... Sure, it could absolutely be a natural phenomenon. But it's not crazy to say the claimed hoofbeats sound kinda stripey.

>people make mistakes and a military test might be trying hard to deceive them

A couple people have mentioned this in this thread and my problem with it is that a military test designed to deceive that same military's personnel seems dangerous in a way that could cause people to lose their lives. Unless you mean that a different military is testing?

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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I think theres two possibilities that are believable for me. I dont think its 'aliens' or other extraterrestrials. Either it is completely fake, made up by the navy to hide something else that they wanted to cover up, and could also serve as a confusion tactic for other countries aerospace programs, some sort of fake internal thing to tease out a mole or another situation like that. The other possibility is that it r…

What about a third option, it's a visual artifact on the FLIR recording?

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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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I was a skeptic of a lot of things until I saw some flying orbs around Mount Shasta, California last October. I saw similar moving orbs again in upstate NY this year on two occasions. I don't know what I saw but they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors. Anyone here ever see something similar?

I grew up in the middle of no where in rural Scotland, one night from my bedroom window I watched a glowing orb do crazy acrobatics in the air for about an hour, my sister and mum saw it as well. I'll have to ask her how she found him, but my mum contacted some guy who catalogued UFO reports in Scotland. Part of his investigation was contacting the police, my mum kept the letter they sent back: http://john.je/235ca43…

Lights in the night sky on January 1st? Seriously?

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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I wouldn't describe the weird thing I've seen in the exact same way, but I understand the feeling of seeing something you can't explain as a skeptic and being shaken by it. I'd have happily just doubted my sanity altogether and left it at that if my husband hadn't been right there seeing the same thing and reacting the same way.

Mind telling us about the weird thing you and your husband saw?

I'm hesitant to post it because I know how people judge this stuff, but I'll share anyhow since the other commenter did.

My husband was driving on a remote part of i-10 in Mississippi very late at night, and were the only ones on the road for a long time and it was pitch black - no overhead lights at all, no cars in either direction. We were traveling in the right lane when we both saw a car's tail lights ahead of us, starting to merge into our lane (it appeared to be driving forward, but slower than we were). I'm kinda a side seat driver subconsciously, so I did a little lean away from it, and my husband put his blinker on and got left to avoid an accident. We figured it had been stopped on the side for some reason, and was just merging back in. But as we drove past it, we realized we couldn't see the rest of the car. There was no reflection of our head lights against the body, no headlights or any light at all in our rear view mirror. There was no sound as we passed it. It just wasn't there. We even slowed down in the left lane for a bit, thinking it could catch up, but we didn't see any other cars until we exited to Biloxi. And besides, there was no way anyone could drive on that road with no headlights on a night like that.

I made note of the mile marker from where it happened (near Vancleave fwiw) and looked it up on google maps later. There wasn't a good margin or side road or something that would have made sense for someone to stop at.

We've driven across the country 4 times now, but nothing like that had happened before or since. I don't know whether to call it a ghost car, a multi-verse artifact, a shared delusion or what. But whatever it was, it was hard to reckon with.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Reposting my comment from yet another HN post on these pretty mundane videos.

Gofast is just a weather balloon.

https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M

Gimbal is a jet. The perceived rotation is an artifact of the camera rotating on a gimbal.

https://youtu.be/4X1PRDbtiF0

Nimitz is also a jet. It’s far away, and blurry.

https://youtu.be/s1oTg0kxzDs

It would be really cool if these were alien spaceships. They’re likely not.

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