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Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by SergeAx »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #185
geofft wrote: post #56

Worth noting that (as far as I know) Stallman was not a paid employee of MIT, certainly not a professor or anything. He had an office because, I believe, Gerry Sussman (and probably others) thought he should have an office. He's listed as a "visiting scientist" on CSAIL's page: https://www.csail.mit.edu/person/richard-stallman He's around on the mailing list (mostly to reply to every mention of software with a questi…

So he was crashing on their couch rent free, and he thanks them by posting crazy screeds on the mailing list? It's not terribly surprising it turned out like this.

Or he was lending them his name in exchange for a couch.

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by codesushi42 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #187
codesushi42 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see no real difference. He said that. And there are even worse comments that he made in that thread.

Supposing that Epstein would have told her to act willing and supposing that she was willing are two entirely different things. The first is what was actually said the latter is a lie being repeated.

It is true, I am tired of Stallman defenders repeating the same lie.

"The most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing," Stallman wrote in his post last Wednesday. "Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates. I’ve concluded from various examples of accusation inflation that it is absolutely wrong to use the term 'sexual assault' in an accusation."

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/17/richard_stallman_in...

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by michaelmrose »

happytoexplain wrote: post #261
michaelmrose wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His statement was perfectly comprehensible no mind reading required you are just muddying the waters.

Surely this means you are either unaware of the many people who took his meaning differently, or you believe they somehow don't count?

People who actually read the thread and took it differently have poor reading comprehension its all perfectly clear.

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by catslam72 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #261
michaelmrose wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His statement was perfectly comprehensible no mind reading required you are just muddying the waters.

Surely this means you are either unaware of the many people who took his meaning differently, or you believe they somehow don't count?

I believe they were misled by the numerous reports by leading news sites who claimed he described the victims as willing in their headlines.

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by noirscape »

rrss wrote: post #218
povertyworld wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chris Lattner also wrote a compiler and gave it away, all without defending rape. Spare me.

"Brilliant asshole" was not intended as a compliment. MIT should have dissociated with Stallman decades ago.

Honestly, I was suprised to learn he still used to be around there up until recently.

Kinda undermines the entire heroic "Stallman left CSAIL to start GNU" story that is often cited as the origin point for GNU.

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by rodgerd »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #185
geofft wrote: post #56

Worth noting that (as far as I know) Stallman was not a paid employee of MIT, certainly not a professor or anything. He had an office because, I believe, Gerry Sussman (and probably others) thought he should have an office. He's listed as a "visiting scientist" on CSAIL's page: https://www.csail.mit.edu/person/richard-stallman He's around on the mailing list (mostly to reply to every mention of software with a questi…

So he was crashing on their couch rent free, and he thanks them by posting crazy screeds on the mailing list? It's not terribly surprising it turned out like this.

His defence of Minsky - that there's nothing wrong with adult men fucking children procured by a child trafficker, because the children like it - was merely the last straw in a long line of obnoxious behaviour, ranging from being angry at people for celebrating having a child, to a spirited enthusiasm for the idea that small children are enthusiastic sexual partners that goes back decades.

Moreover, anyone putting in even the smallest effort to look at what's surfaced will see this goes hand-in-hand with sexual harassment of undergrads and "funny but not really" stories of women cultivating plants in their offices because it keeps him away.

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by gadders »

ocschwar wrote: post #157
coolandsmartrr wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A little tangential, but I didn't know there was a utility called `finger`. Is this supposed to be a profile directory envisioned for an Internet back when it was more decentralized?

Wow, I'm old

How else were you supposed to find out about the status of ID games?

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by jobigoud »

geofft wrote: post #56

Worth noting that (as far as I know) Stallman was not a paid employee of MIT, certainly not a professor or anything. He had an office because, I believe, Gerry Sussman (and probably others) thought he should have an office. He's listed as a "visiting scientist" on CSAIL's page: https://www.csail.mit.edu/person/richard-stallman He's around on the mailing list (mostly to reply to every mention of software with a questi…

> it also has far less of an impact on his life or his goals than resigning from the FSF would

He did resign from the FSF as well.

https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by SergeAx »

tzs wrote: post #262
pryce wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minsky arranged a second conference with Epstein, on Epstein's private island in 2011 [1]. What sources were you using that implied Minsky's contact with Epstein stopped 10 years before that? [1] https://www.pr.com/press-release/383199

I wasn't clear. I didn't intend to suggest that Minsky had nothing to do with Epstein after 2001. Before Epstein was known to be evil, Minsky accepted support from Epstein for science, and also had a sexual encounter with a girl who was ostensibly a masseuse in Epstein's employ but was actually being forced by Epstein to have sex with his guests--it is not clear which of those guests, if any, knew that she was being…

> Minsky [...] had a sexual encounter with a girl

Can you please provide a reliable source for this claim? Last time I checked there is at least one witnessing of him turned down offering of sexual favours in that Epstein case context, and none of the opposite.

Re: Richard Stallman resigns from CSAIL at MIT

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Post by 314 »

SergeAx wrote: post #299
tzs wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't clear. I didn't intend to suggest that Minsky had nothing to do with Epstein after 2001. Before Epstein was known to be evil, Minsky accepted support from Epstein for science, and also had a sexual encounter with a girl who was ostensibly a masseuse in Epstein's employ but was actually being forced by Epstein to have sex with his guests--it is not clear which of those guests, if any, knew that she was being…

> Minsky [...] had a sexual encounter with a girl Can you please provide a reliable source for this claim? Last time I checked there is at least one witnessing of him turned down offering of sexual favours in that Epstein case context, and none of the opposite.

He is named in the court deposition by the witness.
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