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Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by 3xblah »

rvz wrote: post #8

It's really funny to see that yesterday, I was branded as a 'privacy nut' after the release of Android 10 as I was concerned about the privacy issues that are in Android. Then the Go modules proxy issue around the Go Programming language that raised suspicions about tracking usage statistics around downloading modules turned on by default without any consent and now this. I think there are some folks at Google who ha…

"Then the Go modules proxy issue..."

https://sum.golang.org/privacy

This links to the Google Privacy Policy which is an additional 27 pages.

"I think there are some folks at Google who have just read too deep into both 1984 and The Google Book..."

Is this The Google Book?

http://blog.outer-court.com/googlebook/

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by ChoGGi »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #239
calcifer wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me get this straight. You have an opt-in way of telling them what you use, which you don't use and then get upset because your use isn't considered? What should do they do, send a surveyor to your house? Sound decision making requires metrics. If you opt-out of metrics, you don't get to participate in decisions.

> What should do they do, send a surveyor to your house? Not use data from a mechanism that's controversial with some of the user base to drive decisions? Reach out and ask people , instead of asking their machines? > Sound decision making requires metrics. If you opt-out of metrics, you don't get to participate in decisions. Sound decision making requires some kind of metrics and also sound reasoning . It doesn't me…

> Not use data from a mechanism that's controversial with some of the user base to drive decisions? Reach out and ask people, instead of asking their machines?

That would require more time and money that could be spent elsewhere.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by [deleted] »

rvz wrote: post #8

It's really funny to see that yesterday, I was branded as a 'privacy nut' after the release of Android 10 as I was concerned about the privacy issues that are in Android. Then the Go modules proxy issue around the Go Programming language that raised suspicions about tracking usage statistics around downloading modules turned on by default without any consent and now this. I think there are some folks at Google who ha…

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Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by jiveturkey »

> This, combined with other cookies supplied by Google, allows companies to pseudonymously identify the person in circumstances where this would not otherwise be possible.

At first glance, I would have thought this isn't a workaround at all. GDPR allows for pseudonymisation as a method of data protection. But, Recital 26 of the GDPR disallows this:

> The principles of data protection should apply to any information concerning an identified or identifiable natural person. Personal data which have undergone pseudonymisation, which could be attributed to a natural person by the use of additional information should be considered to be information on an identifiable natural person. [...]

That said, I don't think this is cut and dried, because Google themselves isn't providing the linkage to an identifiable natural person. The person that can make that linkage necessarily already has the identifying information. Get ready for a major legal battle.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by jodrellblank »

calcifer wrote: post #193
dsr_ wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian's popcon is really irritating because Debian actually uses it as a source of evidence... systematically eliminating those of us who keep it off for privacy/security reasons.

Let me get this straight. You have an opt-in way of telling them what you use, which you don't use and then get upset because your use isn't considered? What should do they do, send a surveyor to your house? Sound decision making requires metrics. If you opt-out of metrics, you don't get to participate in decisions.

> If you opt-out of metrics, you don't get to participate in decisions.

Would you agree to a Democracy where the government put sensors in your house, then told you which candidate your vote would be counted towards from your behaviour?

And if you opted out of that, you don't get to participate at all?

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ChoGGi wrote: post #292
TeMPOraL wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What should do they do, send a surveyor to your house? Not use data from a mechanism that's controversial with some of the user base to drive decisions? Reach out and ask people , instead of asking their machines? > Sound decision making requires metrics. If you opt-out of metrics, you don't get to participate in decisions. Sound decision making requires some kind of metrics and also sound reasoning . It doesn't me…

> Not use data from a mechanism that's controversial with some of the user base to drive decisions? Reach out and ask people, instead of asking their machines? That would require more time and money that could be spent elsewhere.

"It's cheaper this way" is not a valid justification for doing the wrong thing over the right thing.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by NegativeK »

ta0987 wrote: post #190
ahallock wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If somebody looks over my shoulder and sees the ads presented to me, they can infer things about me. You have to take some personal responsibility, though. If they saw your Youtube recommendations or your Spotify playlist, they'd probably make inferences as well. That porn link in your history you forgot to clear? Be aware of who's watching and browse anonymously if you're concerned.

I've had ads for sketchy shit I googled at home on my personal computer show up on my work computer at the office.

Connecting personal accounts (Gmail, Chrome browser profiles) on a work computer is something that you should only do with careful thought.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by pdonis »

endorphone wrote: post #222
mumblemumble wrote: post #215

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The most interesting thing to me about that McDonald's "hot coffee" lawsuit is how different the narrative is in popular circles vs. in legal circles. It's a little bit like in Rashomon . In popular circles, the story is framed in a way that does make the lawsuit look frivolous. But this is also a case that has made it into the legal textbooks as an example of corporate negligence that's clear-cut enough to use for d…

Are you a lawyer? Because this take is quite remarkable, especially given that the overwhelming public sentiment is that McDonalds was heinously negligent, coupled with a lot of supporting but not entirely factual claims to justify that position. I feel like the same people who were jeering at the victim just marched over to sainting her and demonizing McDonalds. The Internet extreme position machine. Everything has…

> nor is the temperature at all outside of normal industry standards

According to the facts presented at the trial, it is, at least for the fast food industry. All other fast food chains were found to serve coffee at about 140 F.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by ChainOfFools »

endorphone wrote: post #222
mumblemumble wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most interesting thing to me about that McDonald's "hot coffee" lawsuit is how different the narrative is in popular circles vs. in legal circles. It's a little bit like in Rashomon . In popular circles, the story is framed in a way that does make the lawsuit look frivolous. But this is also a case that has made it into the legal textbooks as an example of corporate negligence that's clear-cut enough to use for d…

Are you a lawyer? Because this take is quite remarkable, especially given that the overwhelming public sentiment is that McDonalds was heinously negligent, coupled with a lot of supporting but not entirely factual claims to justify that position. I feel like the same people who were jeering at the victim just marched over to sainting her and demonizing McDonalds. The Internet extreme position machine. Everything has…

> The Internet extreme position machine. Everything has to be clear cut

aka compression machine. optimized to trigger brains' reward circuitry for accomplishment by 'tidying up' unmanageable landscapes of disjointed data into easily stored and recalled bimodal silhouettes of same.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Post by aphextim »

trpc wrote: post #200

Brave is certainly the most shameless tech company I've ever seen in my entire life. Shame on HN to repeatedly allow such a scummy company exploits its ranking algorithm again and again. This kind of systematic exploitation used to happen before with DuckDuckGo, but it seems that Brave took shamelessness to a whole new level.

You say

>Brave is certainly the most shameless tech company I've ever seen in my entire life.

without any supporting comparisons or an explanation of why.

When you say

>Shame on HN to repeatedly allow such a scummy company exploits its ranking algorithm again and again.

are you talking about people posting about Brave on HN and exploiting up-votes for it to gain attention? If this is the case again it is just a statement without any proof.

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