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Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by TeMPOraL »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #182
jbverschoor wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary. It’s a data only with maybe a motd. plenty of space to put ads. Especially if you’re looking for a driver

This is an amusing thread. FTP in the browser typically looks something like this https://imgur.com/20ooI9f Plenty of space for ads. HTTP is basically FTP with ads. Funny thought. Imagine if, to this day, the internet consisted of pretty much that. You go to ftp://nytimes.com and it just has a directory structure that consists of yyyy/mm/dd and the file names where things like statement-from-chinese-ambassador-to-aus…

> Imagine if you had to upload a text file like this

I would love this. This has better UX than the food ordering sites we have to deal with in the real world.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by tptacek »

tim58 wrote: post #50
morpheuskafka wrote: post #8

I'm personally fine with this. FTP is a different protocol, just like BitTorrent. It's not part of the modern web, so it's just another loose end to tie up. Even though it will be around for a while, it's not relevant to Chrome's user audience/usecase.

I'm not fine with this. I'm of the mindset that code written 20 years ago should run today. This is a breaking change on a critical piece of internet infrastructure. Google, by nature of operating the most popular web browser, has a moral obligation to the community to provide a stable environment. There are something like 10^9 webpages out there. How many of these will become less accessible because of this change?…

Then use a different browser, because Chromium is not and never has been of the preservationist mindset you're talking about.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by jackewiehose »

magicalist wrote: post #289
Jaruzel wrote: post #221

There are 100,000s of resources on publicly accessible FTP servers and the removal of direct access to these files via one of the worlds most used browsers is major blow for information storage and retrieval on the internet. It is obvious that the next FTP related headline we see from Google is when (not, if) they drop FTP links from all Google search results. There's no point them listing FTP urls in the results if…

> It is obvious that the next FTP related headline we see from Google is when (not, if) they drop FTP links from all Google search results. There's no point them listing FTP urls in the results if their own browser can't connect to them. Why would it? Seems like the relevant model is file types the browser can't open, and there are lots of search results for those? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35287?h…

You're mixing up file types and protocols. No, my OS won't open ftp links for me.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by tim58 »

tptacek wrote: post #293
tim58 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not fine with this. I'm of the mindset that code written 20 years ago should run today. This is a breaking change on a critical piece of internet infrastructure. Google, by nature of operating the most popular web browser, has a moral obligation to the community to provide a stable environment. There are something like 10^9 webpages out there. How many of these will become less accessible because of this change?…

Then use a different browser, because Chromium is not and never has been of the preservationist mindset you're talking about.

I do. Chromium/Chrome has a huge impact on the entire web ecosystem, to the point that they have an impact on people that do not use their products.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

dmix wrote: post #168
weinzierl wrote: post #123

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There was a time when www was just a part of the Internet and we had www search and ftp search engines. The one I used to use was called "ftpsearch" and the only thing (besides the name) I remember is that it used to say "This server is located in Trondheim" on the front page. A quick web search turns out that it still seems to exist in some form [1]. Unfortunately it apparently doesn't really work anymore. Maybe it'…

I just hope this isn't like how Google basically killed off RSS when they killed off the best client that everyone was using (which I've still never heard a good reason why) which I believe played a role in the decline of everyone having a blog. And yes I know there's some niche support still, just as FTP will live on.

RSS is not a feed to distribute content (podcasts excepted of course!), it is another way to pull you into the same ad infested ecosystem that still thrives today. Google is indeed killing reading but google reader is such an odd product to place blame on.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by fucking_tragedy »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #280
syshum wrote: post #264

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Not Surprising given Mozilla Stance to duplicate and support everything Google does in a effort to chase relevancy again Mozilla has lost the ability to be an independent protector of the Open Web

It's sad because they don't need to. Quantum is great, and you can remap your keybinds and use MaterialFox to get (almost) the exact same experience. Of course your average pleb won't go through this effort, but people need to know how good Firefox has gotten. And to the people who disagree: Firefox has always been great, but it often came with a lot of bugs and inconveniences. It didn't use to be as accessible. http…

Have they fixed the issue with excessive resource consumption when using Firefox on a Retina MacBook?

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by zzo38computer »

FTP isn't such a good protocol anyways (and there are better programs for accessing FTP than most web browsers); there is Gopher, HTTP(S), Plan9, TFTP, SSH, and other protocols.

(I also invented a httpdirlist format (I have been told that httpdirlist is like WebDAV but not as bad; but I don't know WebDAV so I cannot say if it is or not). But, sometimes, the other protocols is better than HTTP(S) anyways.)

I think it is fine to have them implemented in separate programs, although sometimes you might want to display the result in the browser; one possibility is that the user can configure a program to execute and can configure it to treat the data that program writes to stdout as a HTTP response (possibly with different permissions than normal; it might allow some things that are normally disallowed, and some things that are normally allowed might not work). You might then also want to support other MIME types. You can do this also with external programs; so one configuration option could be to allow treating the program as a filter to convert it into a format the browser understands (e.g. plain text, HTML, PNG, etc; perhaps farbfeld should be supported too, even only for the purpose of these external filters).

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by jacksproit »

jackewiehose wrote: post #294
magicalist wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is obvious that the next FTP related headline we see from Google is when (not, if) they drop FTP links from all Google search results. There's no point them listing FTP urls in the results if their own browser can't connect to them. Why would it? Seems like the relevant model is file types the browser can't open, and there are lots of search results for those? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35287?h…

You're mixing up file types and protocols. No, my OS won't open ftp links for me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/272176/how-to...

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by magicalist »

jackewiehose wrote: post #294
magicalist wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is obvious that the next FTP related headline we see from Google is when (not, if) they drop FTP links from all Google search results. There's no point them listing FTP urls in the results if their own browser can't connect to them. Why would it? Seems like the relevant model is file types the browser can't open, and there are lots of search results for those? https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35287?h…

You're mixing up file types and protocols. No, my OS won't open ftp links for me.

> mixing up file types and protocols

"relevant model"

> my OS won't open ftp links for me.

What OS? Because I bet you it does.

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