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Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Yep it is simply a numbers game for recruiters. I've always wondered what their percentages are. They have to be extremely low.

Percentages as in how many candidates do they need to source to get one that eventually accepts an offer? I’d wager 1000:1 or thereabouts.

To hire a candidate or interview a candidate? 1000:1 could be reasonable, I have no clue.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Amazon recruiters don't talk to each other at all. I actually applied for a position from a local ad, and shortly heard from a recruiter. I assumed it was in reference to my application, but it turns out it wasn't and this recruiter had no positions availably locally (only in Seattle). It's a shit-show.

Yeah, amazon recruiters seem almost intentionally siloed off from one another. I’ve been contacted by a recruiter recently even though I have already signed my offer and start there in a couple weeks.

I worked at AWS and interviewed SDE candidates, and thus had to enter updates into the system that manages the whole hiring process. They have interview notes going back to the company's founding. (FWIW, we could only view prior notes on people we were interviewing, the permissions are quite strict.)

The recruiters are absolutely using the same system, they have to enter all their contacts with candidates in order for the interviewers to schedule an interview. So if you're getting contacts while you've signed an offer, I'd suspect they're just spamming a list and only checking the system if people bite.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I interviewed with AWS for an analyst/business intelligence engineer role. When asked to write a query to get the total GDP by month per country, I wrote a query along the lines of: select date_trunc('month',datecolumn) as month, country, sum(GDP) over (partition by date_trunc('month', datecolumn), country) FROM the_table order by 1 The interviewer asked me if I was missing something. I said no. "Don't you need an ad…

This is the reason whiteboarding gets a lot of hate.

It's really a great way to get insight into how people approach problems and how fluent they are in a subject. And if they get something wrong, but they thought it through, that's a problem that will fix itself pretty readily. The person who doesn't think stuff through likely won't start.

But the naive approach to whiteboarding is to do it as a test, can the person perform task X on the fly. The trouble is it's invariably an ad hoc test that generates ludicrously biased data. The really bad interviewers want to stroke their ego by stumping you with all the cool minutiae they know.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I've also turned down countless Amazon interview offers. In fact, I don't get how I'm still on their recruitment lists after asking several times to be removed. Amazon has arguably the worst culture out of any large tech company, and generally treats its workers like dirt. Given all my friends that worked for them, almost all have quit within 5 years. Given their abysmal warehouse management, it's no surprise they ha…

> Given all my friends that worked for them, almost all have quit within 5 years. 5 years is pretty darn high by tech company standard, as people already mentioned. Partly because of the culture of "you have to jump ship to make more money and promotions", but even the most employee friendly company will barely edge that, just because software engineers have a huge "grass is greener" syndrome.

I spent over 9 years as a software engineer at a finance shop known for it's high turnover and burn out rate. Average life expectancy in IT when I joined eas 1.5-2 years. I do and dont regret having stayed that long. Some of my long term health issues are due in part to my time there. No way to prove it, of course.

I worked with a lot of great people, but years of sustained 80-100 hour work weeks, getting called on the rare vacation and the inability to have a personal life (only dated for a total of like 5 months in the 9 years I was there). I didnt get married until 5 years after I left, and ironically to the exwife of a former coworker from the same firm. The pisser is that I was grossly underpaid for 7 of those 9 years. I was taken advantage of because I was a mew hire directly out of college. After several years, I realized this as I became a defect team lead and assumed about 13x the responsibility I was hired for within 2 years. It took a written offer from well, Amazon, to get my pay adjusted. I got a 50% pay increase midyear to stay... Ive since moved on, and honestly, not sure which decision I regret. I'm still in finance, but a lower stress firm, with a dead simple commute, typically 40 mins in the car tops per day, round trip. Id be far happier if I was suffering from the pain of accumulated medical issues.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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At what point does an organization get to be so large such that it is guaranteed to become a menace to society and individual human dignity? I cannot come up with any publicly-held multi-billion dollar technology company today that isn't seemingly run by psychopaths. Is there some new SEC regulation regarding corporate leadership I am unaware of? Is it an audit item that requires HR to fuck over all their employees w…

Corporations are financial paperclip maximizers.

https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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The world has far more individuals than hundred billion dollar corporations.

And their ability to voice themselves is related to how much money they have. After all, nearly all forms of mass communication are directly controlled by said corporations.

Roughly 5 corporations effectively are nearly all forms of mass communication.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Yep it is simply a numbers game for recruiters. I've always wondered what their percentages are. They have to be extremely low.

Percentages as in how many candidates do they need to source to get one that eventually accepts an offer? I’d wager 1000:1 or thereabouts.

20:1 or thereabouts as far as people who take an informational call to those who pass the loop and accept.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I'm wary of Amazon since they have a terrible reputation for tech work in addition to warehouse and delivery work. People who I've talked to who work there have not entirely refuted this for me. Non-compete agreements are garbage and are unfortunately very common - I wouldn't be surprised to find them at Google, Apple, etc.. Employment contracts are usually "take it or leave it" in that regard, though personally I tr…

They are illegal in California. I have heard it said that has been a pro-competitive influence for companies here which is one reason for the dynamism of the tech sector.

Unenforceable, not illegal. There’s a big difference.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Sure, and that would be a fair criticism, to say, "is there a version of this that's more intuitive and easier to read with the same load on the server?" But the interviewer (assuming the OP faithfully represented the exchange and the domain) is insisting that the query does not do what was asked -- when it does -- and is saying so based on the interviewer's own incomplete understanding. That's not a good reason to r…

Exactly, it would have been fair game to ask why I used a window function instead of an aggregate function + subquery joined back onto the main result set. Or, to ask if I could rewrite the query another way which would be more efficient. However, the interviewer didn't simply insist the query does not do what was asked (when it did indeed return the correct results). Instead, the interviewer actually insisted it was…

From their perspective, they have hundreds of candidates and need to quickly filter a bunch out. So, having low-technical knowledge recruiters ask questions and look for a standard set of answers is the way they do it. There is no room for technical discussion during this phase, no room for nuance.

I'm not saying this is a good process or that it's fair, but it is the reality right now. You still get OK results and it's far faster and cheaper.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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> I once had an engineer keep interrupting me while I was explaining how sockets work because I wasn't covering small minutia details. I'm going to be in trouble when it comes time to interview again someday. I am not nearly as accepting of muscle flexing (anti-social behavior) as I was 10 years ago.

Makes me appreciate working for a large cloud with a core value “don’t be a jerk.”

Is this Microsoft? If so, good to know they've adopted this policy!
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