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That's not a bad thing, but it means that you can't help the economy without helping the party. It's either both or neither.
But if a party policies help economy grow, why is it bad to help party?
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But if a party policies help economy grow, why is it bad to help party?
I mean if you really dont know, China is an incredibly oppressive totalitarian regime that maintains their power through violence and censorship. Political opponents are routinely disappeared and murdered
If you really don't know, CCP's regime through economic growth has lifted from extreme poverty over 700 million people [0]. It's the same economic growth HN's well-wishers are lamenting about. Extreme poverty is not inability to buy the latest iPhone, it's malnutrition, lack of medical care, hard work, illnesses and likely early death.
You care about people who, you say, disappeared because of CCP's regime and at the same time absolutely don't care about hundreds of millions, most of whom would've still been suffering from extreme poverty and accompanying excessive mortality. The statistics of democratic India are lagging behind by very big margin and give an estimation of what could've been China's alternative reality [1].
[0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/peoples-daily-online/opinion/pov...
[1] https://qz.com/india/1385642/after-china-india-pulled-most-p...
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I mean if you really dont know, China is an incredibly oppressive totalitarian regime that maintains their power through violence and censorship. Political opponents are routinely disappeared and murdered
Why do you call it "incredibly oppressive"? It's nothing like Mao's China or Stalin's USSR or Pol Pot's Cambodia or Hitler's Germany. Saudi Arabia comes to mind with their executions of political opponents and whatnot. If you really don't know, CCP's regime through economic growth has lifted from extreme poverty over 700 million people [0]. It's the same economic growth HN's well-wishers are lamenting about. Extreme…
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> China is already blocking these censored websites- linking them in search results isn't going to magically allow the website to load in the browser. Unless the user clicks the little down arrow next to the URL, which opens the popup menu with "Cached". And even if that were also censored, the titles, URLs and the first couple of lines of text returned by Google would speak volumes about what's going on. Imagine goo…
How many users browse the internet through Google's cache? Splitting hairs over cache vs. linking the dead website is ignoring the point.
A more pertinent question is how many Chinese users would gladly browse the internet through Google's cache, if it were available to them.
A fair guess is a number at least as large as the number of Chinese users who used to browse the internet through VPNs before the government cracked down on those (nearly 1 in 3 of all Chinese internet users, according to [1], i.e. hundreds of millions).
> Splitting hairs over cache vs. linking the dead website is ignoring the point.
The point, which you appear to have missed, is that you can't expect the censorship to work as implied by the statement I responded to. Google wouldn't be allowed to simply serve up the same search results as outside China. It would have to remove them entirely.
[1] https://www.goldenfrog.com/blog/china-cracks-down-on-vpn-use...
As an overseas Chinese (born and grew up in Hong Kong but have relatives in China) I am sadden by this and HN comments. Any claim that Google would have helped China censor Chinese citizens ignores the fact that Chinese search engines are already censored. Because laws in this area are often vague, I can see that dragonfly would apply varying levels of censorships and as a side effect, allow people to access some inf…
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Why do you call it "incredibly oppressive"? It's nothing like Mao's China or Stalin's USSR or Pol Pot's Cambodia or Hitler's Germany. Saudi Arabia comes to mind with their executions of political opponents and whatnot. If you really don't know, CCP's regime through economic growth has lifted from extreme poverty over 700 million people [0]. It's the same economic growth HN's well-wishers are lamenting about. Extreme…
I wish people would stop arguing that democracy and lifting millions out of poverty are mutually exclusive. They're not. Taiwan. South Korea. Japan. Though the first 2 were fairly authoritarian in the 1950s, they all progressively marched toward democracy. CCP is taking China the other way. Meanwhile India, which is the CCP's favorite parrot for justifying their means, actually has lifted out of abject poverty just a…
"just about as many"
The second link specifically says that it is not so.
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I mean if you really dont know, China is an incredibly oppressive totalitarian regime that maintains their power through violence and censorship. Political opponents are routinely disappeared and murdered
Why do you call it "incredibly oppressive"? It's nothing like Mao's China or Stalin's USSR or Pol Pot's Cambodia or Hitler's Germany. Saudi Arabia comes to mind with their executions of political opponents and whatnot. If you really don't know, CCP's regime through economic growth has lifted from extreme poverty over 700 million people [0]. It's the same economic growth HN's well-wishers are lamenting about. Extreme…
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If a condition is already bad, why bother trying to make it better? ie: > Any claim that Google would have helped China censor Chinese citizens ignores the fact that Chinese search engines are already censored "...so it isn't helping, it's just business as usual." The counterpoint is that having choice is helpful, especially when the choices include user segments, even if you don't experience it. Also, participating…
My claim is that Google entering China is making a bad situation better
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Why do you call it "incredibly oppressive"? It's nothing like Mao's China or Stalin's USSR or Pol Pot's Cambodia or Hitler's Germany. Saudi Arabia comes to mind with their executions of political opponents and whatnot. If you really don't know, CCP's regime through economic growth has lifted from extreme poverty over 700 million people [0]. It's the same economic growth HN's well-wishers are lamenting about. Extreme…
You need to prove that China's totalitarian policies are A) responsible for the growth and that B) all the deaths and lack of freedom attributable were somehow justifiable (they aren't). A big problem for your argument is that Hong Kong is a bigger, brighter, and longer burning success story than mainland China. Hong Kong avoided the totalitarian nastiness that the CCP's government currently employs (great firewall o…
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You need to prove that China's totalitarian policies are A) responsible for the growth and that B) all the deaths and lack of freedom attributable were somehow justifiable (they aren't). A big problem for your argument is that Hong Kong is a bigger, brighter, and longer burning success story than mainland China. Hong Kong avoided the totalitarian nastiness that the CCP's government currently employs (great firewall o…
Well, in the same vein you need to prove that democracy is responsible for Hong Kong's success.