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I ask this out of genuine curiosity, and with respect. I am a guy who has had several unpleasant dealings with police. But what could they gain by lying in their report?

They get to put it in the pile of completed cases and not have to start a long process of figuring out what's what. I have had similar experiences. One time I even included in the report the full photo ID of the driver, the name and phone number of a witness, and I got a letter back saying "We're not investigating this case further for two reasons: 1. lack of evidence, 2. not knowing whether there's a traffic camera…

Man, I hate hearing that. Really sorry you’re going through it.

Re: A “bike platform” that temporarily swaps one car parking space for ten bicycles

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As a parent in this exact situation, my reason is not primarily climate change (although it's high up on the list); it's about fostering independence and confidence. I'm pissed off that it's families and cyclists that somehow bear the enormous responsibility for improving driver behavior and justifying road infrastructure. We admit that our streets are by default "never safe" and then shrug and walk away.

Yeah, recent experience with other drivers in my area is convincing me that the only reasonable thing to do is ban cars.

Instead of coming up with easy radical solutions that won't ever see the light of day in places where people's ability to lead a normal life depends on having a car (which is heavy majority of places in the US outside of NYC and, to a less degree, maaaaybe a couple of other major cities), it might be more productive and efficient to work on solutions that are more difficult and less sexy, but actually have a possibility of being implemented and improve the situation. I am aware that this horse has been beaten to death and some more, but just off the top of my head:

* Physically separated bike lanes and independent bike routes that are efficient in getting people places they need to be. A somewhat successful example of the latter (that keeps expanding and improving): Atlanta Beltline. Doubly impressive, considering that Atlanta is one of the most car-centric major cities in the US with absolutely horrific public transportation and no central "core" area (it is very sprawled, similar to LA).

* Hard push for expansion of public transportation, which, most of the time, is blocked by NIMBYs and other busybodies that always use the argument of not wanting to have more "undesirables"

* More creative and complicated ways that I cannot list off the top of my head

tl;dr: complex problems require complex solutions. If you expect to solve those problems with radical "slash-it-all" solutions, then I would not hold much hope for those problems to be solved at all. It's like someone looking at an existing complicated piece of code for a complex problem, calling that code dumb and difficult to read, and then coming up with a simple solution in a few lines of code, without thinking through all the edge cases and possibilities.

Re: A “bike platform” that temporarily swaps one car parking space for ten bicycles

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We usually say that the only thing that angers motorists more than cyclists breaking the rules of the road is cyclists following the rules of the road :) The implication is that while they get angered by cyclists running reds, doing illegal turns, or lane splitting (assuming it's illegal), they also get angered if by following the rules the cyclists slow them down.

You're kind of confirming a feeling I have. I am a daily cyclist and I started strictly following the rules after being scared by an accident I had. I realized eventually that I don't feel safer by following the rules . In fact there are a lot of days when I feel even more in danger than before (namely: rain days and friday nights). I used to think that was because of the shock from the accident. I'd like some materi…

I'm a four season bike commuter too (boosted board when it's hot out). I'm done following the rules of the road just because— I'll do what's safest for me. If the police want people outside of cars to follow the rules "for our safety", they need to make the first move and actually enforce the car-side rules that would help make us safer as well.

The big one in Ontario is yielding to crosswalks. As of September last year, failing to yield to a crosswalk is supposed to be $1000 (!) fine. But as far as I know, there hasn't been one single instance of that ticket being handed out in my city, yet I witness pedestrians cut off by vehicles literally daily. I've even posted helmet cam videos of it happening to Facebook and YouTube and tagged my local politicians. Nothing happens.

Re: A “bike platform” that temporarily swaps one car parking space for ten bicycles

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We usually say that the only thing that angers motorists more than cyclists breaking the rules of the road is cyclists following the rules of the road :) The implication is that while they get angered by cyclists running reds, doing illegal turns, or lane splitting (assuming it's illegal), they also get angered if by following the rules the cyclists slow them down.

You're kind of confirming a feeling I have. I am a daily cyclist and I started strictly following the rules after being scared by an accident I had. I realized eventually that I don't feel safer by following the rules . In fact there are a lot of days when I feel even more in danger than before (namely: rain days and friday nights). I used to think that was because of the shock from the accident. I'd like some materi…

The "Idaho stop" [1] is the best example I know of, with some studies showing that it's safer than the alternative. It's where cyclists are allowed to treat stop signs as yields (as opposed to coming to a full stop at each one).

I'm also interested in more examples like this

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop#Positions

Re: A “bike platform” that temporarily swaps one car parking space for ten bicycles

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I don't own a car. I just call it like I see it, I don't think cars are great but bicycles seriously randomize the road, it's beyond stupid that 4000 lb cars driven by people who don't even operate the vehicle that well 'share' the road with 10-30 lb bicycles.

> it's beyond stupid that 4000 lb cars driven by people who don't even operate the vehicle I think we can just stop the sentence right there, before we even discuss other users of the road.

Er, heh, I should actually have stopped the sentence after "that well", oops.

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> it's beyond stupid that 4000 lb cars [are] driven by people who don't even operate the vehicle that well

Re: A “bike platform” that temporarily swaps one car parking space for ten bicycles

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My pet armchair theory is because driving a car is the one time a lot of human beings feel powerful. Where I live (provincial New Zealand) car traffic is slowed down just as much by tractors moving from farm to farm as it is by cyclists. Yet I never hear people tell me their elaborate fantasies about murdering tractor drivers. Why? Because it's not a realistic fantasy - the tractors are bigger than them. If you work…

Once you manage to overtake a tractor once, it doesn’t ever re-overtake you and make you do that work again. On sections of road with large amounts of traffic and stoplights, I’ve had to wait behind and overtake the same bicycle 5 times before I finally got far enough ahead. Most bicycle encounters are non-issues, but it’s these extended ones where it seems to the driver that they’ll never be done with this one parti…

So in that situation, aren't you the annoying vehicle that needs to be passed? You're holding up faster traffic for those 5 blocks!

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Or just buy a $50 bike second hand and park it at the end of the bus route!

A cheapo bike is not likely to be something that you want to use (and rely on) for your daily commute, though.

Fair point. Though if the "last mile" commute from the bus stop/train station isn't too far, and in a relatively urban area, you can get an Uber trip in the worst case scenario of the bike breaking and taking the bike to a repair shop the next day.

It will likely still be more cost effective than driving all the time because you are unwilling/unable to take a bike on the bus/train.

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Or just buy a $50 bike second hand and park it at the end of the bus route!

That's fine, but that's not the point the OP was making and doesn't do anything about the last mile problem on the other end.

I'm posing having two bikes (one a cheapo one) as a solution to not being able to take your bike on the bus/train - solving the the first AND last mile problem.

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Not every city is Madison, Wi, which you yourself considered to be a special case when it came to parking just seven little months ago. And not everyone can bus - especially in America, where public transport is essentially a sad joke. Not everyone can walk - distances are actually a thing. Not everyone has the ability to find someone to carpool with (which might either be related to different schedules or different…

What city do you live in? EDIT Also I am a little confused by > That being said, I would love to see you haul a fridge three miles on foot to your next parking ramp. I thought we were talking about commuting? I am not saying get rid of your car, I am saying perhaps don't commute with one every single day and then expect to park on-street, because there might be better options...

> What city do you live in?

A small town with about 7000 citizens some 50 kilometers away from the city I work in in southern Germany.

No colleagues living near me, so no carpooling. Public transport, while arguably a lot better than in the states, is so fractures that it means leaving at 5 and returning at 21:30 - unless you need the "flexibility" of attending late-evening meetings or after-work activities, then it pretty much becomes unusable. Biking in? Sure, takes even more time (I average some 20 km/h, this is hilly terrain), and I am completely finished when I arrive. And moving here? I would pay four times what I pay now in rent for the privilege of living in an industrial wasteland.

Without the car, I could not do my job.

That being said, I am lucky that my employer provides a parking ramp at the location I currently work at. When they make us move locations again, there is a good chance streetcurb parking is the only option available to me.

What we need to do is to make cities places where cyclists, motor vehicle drivers and pedestrians can coexist. I think playing the cheap, political "divide and conquer" card by diminishing one side for the other will make them worse for everyone involved.

For starters, we should check if we can just move vehicle traffic underground for major arteries and use the space above for cyclists and pedestrians.

> I thought we were talking about commuting?

Ah, here's the misunderstanding. I am talking about access to the city, regardless of frequency. The problem does not go away if you prohibit commuting.

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People steal wheels, handlebars, bells, lights, bike racks and seats.

And break seatposts when they are angry they couldn’t steal anything. I had a not too fancy bike that uses Pinhead locks to secure every removable component. And a sturdy U lock. There were multiple attempts to steal various components including an angry thief breaking the seat post for no good reason - the saddle is worthless. Only finally to be stolen from a secure parking garage using an electric saw in full view…

I'm not jealous about Amsterdam at all. People use beat-up bikes to avoid theft but still they get stolen. And finding a parking spot for your bike is horrible. Of course the city is very nice to ride in, with all the bike lanes and bike-respecting traffic culture and the flatness of the city.

But I personally prefer Helsinki (where I live) after seeing Amsterdam a couple of months ago. Never had a problem with theft on an average bike properly locked; parking a bike is easy; bike lanes and paths exist but aren't usually too crowded; motorists only rarely kill cyclists; and riding in the snow makes you feel like you're greater than you are. :)

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