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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by philpem »

phatfish wrote: post #275
bashwizard wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait until they eventually are greeted with a notice "Sorry, we've blocked all users from Europe due to the new copyright reform" on every major social media site/app.

I though this was supposed to happen after the GDPR was made law... still waiting.

There are an absolute mountain of US sites which block European IP addresses to avoid GDPR. Mostly news outlets. I've never seen so many 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons errors in my life!

Still others present a "subscription required" page if you connect from Europe, but display the content if you access them from the US (or through archive.is).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by ceejayoz »

_ph_ wrote: post #248
nicc wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe it's normal to use the military for a variety of reasons. Specially since military draft was made voluntary, in Italy the military are used to walk around at train stations, help out in case of protests, etc. Actually, in Italy we have two institutions that are seen as "police": Police and Carabinieri. Carabinieri are exactly the same, but they're part of the military. As for: > Macron is still seen by a la…

I checked with a French friend, in France (like in Germany) it is illegal to send military forces to do any kind of police like duties. However, under the "terror fighting" emergencies still active, military forces are on French streets.

The line between police and military in France is a bit blurry, given that the two national police forces - police nationale and gendarmerie nationale - are themselves part of the French military.

Hell, the Paris fire department is an Army unit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Fire_Brigade

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by riffraff »

dmortin wrote: post #90
riffraff wrote: post #32

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hungarians mostly voted for the current government. I don't like Orban, and his propaganda is shameful, but what he does is exactly what people want (and corruption on the side). The opposition does not have any shared platform that the majority of the people would want, other than "not orban".

> I don't like Orban, and his propaganda is shameful, but what he does is exactly what people want (and corruption on the side). Propaganda is the key, because he uses relentless propaganda to hammer the message that migrants want to go to Hungary and take people's jobs, etc., and he uses migration as an answer for everything (those who ciriticize government corruption, do so, because they want to let in migrants, et…

sure, and it's getting worse, I live here.

But it's a problem of hungary not having a strong democratic culture. It's not a problem of "not what people want".

Also, I feel the immigrant thing is not as relevant amongst Fidesz supporters: Jobbik has the same view with regards to migrants that Fidesz has, but did not get 49% of the votes.

People vote with their pockets, and hungary had years of good economic growth, the government cut income taxes, tourism boomed and real estate followed.

Much like the situation in italy's '50/60s economic miracle, people will put up with corruption as long as they have a booming economy, even if the government is not responsible for such growth.

Hungary will hit a brick wall in the near future, but it will have gone there by the will of its people.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by nicc »

selimthegrim wrote: post #258
nicc wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe it's normal to use the military for a variety of reasons. Specially since military draft was made voluntary, in Italy the military are used to walk around at train stations, help out in case of protests, etc. Actually, in Italy we have two institutions that are seen as "police": Police and Carabinieri. Carabinieri are exactly the same, but they're part of the military. As for: > Macron is still seen by a la…

What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a big deal and presumably you don’t too until the male involved grows up and actually holds power.

> What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making?

For the leader of a country, character is important.

If I was French it would definitely worry me that my president dated his 40-year-old high school teacher when he was 16, and married a woman 25 years older than him. Not the average Frenchman--which was my point.

> Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a big deal and presumably you don’t too until the male involved grows up and actually holds power.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by mrep »

dingaling wrote: post #273
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

And do what with it? Most aggregaters won't host your content for you for fear of lawsuits and if you host it yourself, nobody will find your dinky website because nobody is going to pay you to link to it.

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Post by laacz »

mcjiggerlog wrote: post #268
laacz wrote: post #228

Individual votes are in: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot...

Can we get votes per national-level party (e.g. Labour, Conservatives etc.)? EDIT - at least here's how the parliament groupings voted - https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110552457682264065

With some manual labor that's easily doable. There is opendata available for Council[1], but Parliament vote dataset is yet to be found...

1: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/general-secretariat/corpo...

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Post by makomk »

dingaling wrote: post #273
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

All the people I know who create their own content are utterly pissed off about this, because it totally screws them over when it comes to sharing their content. It means that every platform they use will be forced to either shut down or instate odious, false-positive-prone, likely career-ruining content filtering. The only folks it's good for are the large corporate content factories who are effectively almost totally exempt from dealing with this mess.

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Post by philpem »

Jommi wrote: post #140
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #131

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> For example I am for a "democracy of experts" system, in which any decision must be voted exclusively by those who have expertise on the matter the vote is about. Isn't that not just a technocracy? I actually think a system like that would make a lot of sense, but I still believe the population should have the power to veto a law that they don't want. As for the brexit vote being undemocratic, I see your point, but…

So you think the MEPs made a bad decision because they were mis- or uninformed, but then you would trust that the population on average would be more informed?

They were about as well-informed as much of the general public.

There's a Youtube video kicking around of someone (I forget who) going round Europarl asking MEPs if they'd actually read Articles 11 and 13.

The most common answer, by a country mile, was "no".

We elect representatives to read these things and make a reasoned decision on our behalf. Not to do the political equivalent of putting on a blindfold and throwing a dart, hoping to score a bulls-eye.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by [deleted] »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

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