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There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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My (now) wife and I took the Empire Builder from Seattle to Chicago about 10 years ago. We purchased a private cabin. We were 8 hours late leaving Seattle and couldn't get into our cabin until we got to Spokane because of some sort of merge of trains coming from Portland and Seattle. Got to Spokane, got our cabin, another 6 hour delay. By the time we reached the upper Midwest, they were rationing food, literally cutt…

Yay government-run train service.

which is the government-run train service?

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's worth it, really How much does it cost?

When evaluating the price, consider that it is also a hotel room and comes with free meals. Compare it to air fare + hotel room for X days + decent meals for X days and the price becomes less painful.

Amtrak's been stripping meals out of the service to save money. The Silver Star [correction: not Silver Meteor also], which runs the length of the east coast from Maine to Florida and back, for example, has no meal car. You can buy the roomettes and the rooms, still for significantly more than a plane ticket, but they do not come with meals. There's a "snack" car for all passengers with a microwave where you can buy chips or a hot dog, and it's only open some of the time. The sleeper cars are also dirty and falling apart, and there is no observation car.

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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Other governments do it just fine.

Who? In most of Asia trains are privatized. In Europe, the passenger rail companies are in various stages of privatization. Rail in the UK is more or less privatised. Deutche Bahn, SNCF, Trenitalia, DSB, etc., are private companies. The government is involved in the sense they are the largest or sole shareholder, but they are run as for-profit corporations. For example, they compete in other countries. Many, such as…

Amtrak isn't a government agency though. It's a public-private partnership AFAIK

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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For anyone interested in more train-travel stories I've written (partially) about my trip across Russia, starting with: https://www.gregkogan.com/journal/russia-trans-siberian-rail... Still have half the trip left to write about, which I'll do bit by bit.

This was a fantastic read, and you are a very entertaining and engaging writer.

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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I take the train cross-country whenever I can. I enjoy it. I enjoy the people, I enjoy the views. All the positive aspects mentioned in the article are 100% true. But I can't help but feel that this author wants to dislike trains. He wants everyone to understand how awful and slow it is. And they went into this story with a chip on their shoulder, and were disappointed to find that the trip had value. But the trains…

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Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

#296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other governments do it just fine.

Who? In most of Asia trains are privatized. In Europe, the passenger rail companies are in various stages of privatization. Rail in the UK is more or less privatised. Deutche Bahn, SNCF, Trenitalia, DSB, etc., are private companies. The government is involved in the sense they are the largest or sole shareholder, but they are run as for-profit corporations. For example, they compete in other countries. Many, such as…

Quasi-public to be accurate.

That said, Amtrak came into existence because most of the private rail companies had failed or were failing. Had the federal government not stepped in, we'd arguably have no long distance passenger rail service outside the Northeast Corridor (where Amtrak basically makes the money that it then loses on pretty much every other route in the country).

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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Public ground/rail transport in the US is not for the faint hearted. Spoken as a travel veteran in three decades of cross country trips via Greyhound and Amtrak. TIPS: * Don't cross Texas in a Greyhound. * Don't go to New Orleans Amtrak coach from DC.

Can you share the why of those two tips? I'm not from the US so I have no experience with those but it sounds like you have some interesting stories about it :)

I've done DCATL on both coach and sleeper. Sleeper's nicer, obv, but coach is really fine. It's not super crowded, and the amount of legroom is ridiculous compared to an airplane. Even though it takes 4X as long as a plane, it's overnight, so it doesn't really seem too long at all.

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

#298

My (now) wife and I took the Empire Builder from Seattle to Chicago about 10 years ago. We purchased a private cabin. We were 8 hours late leaving Seattle and couldn't get into our cabin until we got to Spokane because of some sort of merge of trains coming from Portland and Seattle. Got to Spokane, got our cabin, another 6 hour delay. By the time we reached the upper Midwest, they were rationing food, literally cutt…

Yay government-run train service.

You know, I have a suspicion that the reason the US has poor government services compared to other countries is in large part because too manypeople in the US believe government services are poor.

If the wrong people get in charge (and very likely if the ideology is widespread) they make little effort to improve things other than to cut costs.

Competition usually improves things, it's true, but natural monopolies are still problematic.

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

#299

I take the train cross-country whenever I can. I enjoy it. I enjoy the people, I enjoy the views. All the positive aspects mentioned in the article are 100% true. But I can't help but feel that this author wants to dislike trains. He wants everyone to understand how awful and slow it is. And they went into this story with a chip on their shoulder, and were disappointed to find that the trip had value. But the trains…

This story was written with a much more positive tone than I believe the facts warranted. Such sleeping and toilet arrangements are closer to prison arrangements than anything a reasonable person would expect, and the delays were lesser than what I've experienced.

I thought I was the type of person who would ride a train. I wanted to get from Denton, Texas to Temple, Texas. This was simple. The booking website is exactly as bad as mentioned. I finally got one that promised me a four hour trip with a short bus ride on each end. Alright, cool, that's fine. So I schedule to arrive about thirty minutes prior, except the train is delayed two hours. That's half the ride again, on a delay! This causes me to miss my connection, and the next train wasn't scheduled until tomorrow. I cannot imagine anyone trying to use Amtrak for actual travel, when reliability and timeliness matters.

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other governments do it just fine.

Who? In most of Asia trains are privatized. In Europe, the passenger rail companies are in various stages of privatization. Rail in the UK is more or less privatised. Deutche Bahn, SNCF, Trenitalia, DSB, etc., are private companies. The government is involved in the sense they are the largest or sole shareholder, but they are run as for-profit corporations. For example, they compete in other countries. Many, such as…

UK network is run by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Rail and the train operators are on government franchise. More importantly though it's pretty much universally recognised in London that TfL (the tube and overground) is much better and more reliable than the rail companies, and TfL is a government body directly.
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