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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by fxfan »

CydeWeys wrote: post #287
longcommonname wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What prevents Google from charging an absurd rate like some of the other TLD or other practices that effectively change the service?

The trend across the gTLD industry has been one of decreasing prices, not increasing prices. I'm not sure what you're referring to?

The trend in browsers is being precise about standards and yet only yesterday google took an existing standard and tried to corrupt it.

I'm not trying to be snarky and thanks foe answering questions but this particular comment was a non-answer.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by mhaberl »

byuu wrote: post #199
Drdrdrq wrote: post #23

> You can purchase an SSL certificate through one of our web partners or a Certificate Authority. Read this article to learn more. Really? No mention of Lets Encrypt? Does anyone still buy certificates nowadays, especially for dev sites?

I buy them. I don't like paying for them, but I want a certificate I know will just work for years without having to run certbot or one of its clones on my server. Well, that and LE didn't yet allow wildcard certs when I bought mine. They've already dropped their maximum validity from three to two years though, so I'll probably throw in the towel when they further reduce their validity to less than six months.

Let's Encrypt certs are valid for 90 days.

There are 2 reasons: 1. To limit damage from key compromise and mis-issuance 2. To encourage automation.

What is the issue with running the certbot on your server? It's not like you have to run it manually.

Here are official reasons: https://letsencrypt.org/2015/11/09/why-90-days.html

P.S. Wildcard certs are available for almost a year now: https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-production-envir...

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

jbverschoor wrote: post #225
byuu wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I buy them. I don't like paying for them, but I want a certificate I know will just work for years without having to run certbot or one of its clones on my server. Well, that and LE didn't yet allow wildcard certs when I bought mine. They've already dropped their maximum validity from three to two years though, so I'll probably throw in the towel when they further reduce their validity to less than six months.

Well that's nice. But that mean you'll have to manually buy, upgrade install and test them. I have better things to do.

Takes about 5 minutes of time. It really isn't a big deal.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

dehrmann wrote: post #239
GordonS wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could make the argument with a lot of the (mostly pointless) TLDs that have been released recently, such as .uk, which was a clear money-grab targeting existing .co.uk owners, or .sucks, which feels like an attempt to extort all domain owners.

True. Also, the new TLDs have gotten out of hand to the point that ICANN launching a new TLD has become noise. Their restraint has been so lacking that I'm expecting punycode emoji TLDs in the next few years. If you thought .sucks was bad, just wait for the poo emoji.

Ugh. I wish I had something more insightful to say, but I read your comment and audibly groaned, because I just know deep down that you're correctly predicting the future.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by ilovecaching »

CydeWeys wrote: post #254
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

Hi, just wanted to say how absolutely horrid this entire idea is. Domain name squatting and auctioning is already bad enough, and you're telling me we should give one of the richest companies in the world thousands of dollars for a domain name for development. This is completely counter to the spirit of the internet, and spits in the face of open source and passionate hobby developers who don't have silicon valley stock vesting every quarter. Instead of trying to get these domain names into the hands of real developers at a reasonable price, you're going to sell them to the highest bidders, squatters looking for new investments, and corporations.

Really not at all impressed by this, and it only serves as a stark reminder of the failed state of TLDs.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by ddebernardy »

Brendinooo wrote: post #290

This may sound like an ignorant question, but since Google is pretty aggressive about data collection: If I buy a .dev domain, does that expose me to sending more data to Google?

At the very least they know who you are as the domain owner -- which is part of why they got in the registrar business to begin with.

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Post by bduerst »

ldiracdelta wrote: post #285
CydeWeys wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

If I register a domain, can google boot me off it at a later year if they don't like my politics? Or do I own the domain with the continuing option to re-register it or transfer to another domain registrar? Does google ultimately own the domains and simply lease them to me with no guaranteed option to continue?

That's a redundant question, because just about every registry can dictate what their TLDs can be used for. It's part of the design laid down by ICANN.

- For Verisign with .com, they don't care if you're really a company or not.

- With Minds & Machines and .law, they only want qualified lawyers, courts, legal schools, etc. using the TLD.

Keep in mind that the registry and registrar are different things.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by Latteland »

I hate the very high prices for early access. This is anti-individual-developer, pro big company, rich people.

I can see it's a way to let big companies save off their amazon.dev domain or whatever. I think a much more preferable early stage practice would be to let people who can authenticate their name let them get their name .dev. I've been trying to buy my personal domain name for a while, a name squatter has been sitting on it for years, they don't even answer their contact email. A second domain that is commercial is also in a similar category. How do these companies keep their domains and never sell them?

Someone like say JohnAkbar.com has to wait and hope another JohnAkbar or a squatter doesn't get their name. I'm also jealous of people that have more unique names. People get vanity urls or twitter handle like things with my name and never use them. Sure, first world problem but

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by bduerst »

cabraca wrote: post #289
CydeWeys wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trend across the gTLD industry has been one of decreasing prices, not increasing prices. I'm not sure what you're referring to?

i guess he is talking about the premium domains: > During both the Early Access Program and General Availability, there is a $12/year cost for .dev domains. Annual fees may vary for Premium domains.

"Premium" domains are resold domains. The prices are typically dictated by the person holding them.
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