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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by briandear »

latexr wrote: post #259
adtac wrote: post #257

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>best data of both Isn't that basically just Google Maps? I thought Apple Maps' data was just a subset of Google Maps'. What does Apple Maps do better? Genuinely curious.

Yes, Google Maps is superior in my region, but as I mentioned, I’d rather support Apple and DDG. I do so for their stances on privacy, but also because usability-wise I do prefer Apple Maps. > I thought Apple Maps' data was just a subset of Google Maps' They must be different datasets; I doubt Google would want to give Apple any data, or data Apple would take it. I will mention that once I have found one place in App…

> I thought Apple Maps' data was just a subset of Google Maps

That hasn't ever been true with Apple Maps (to my knowledge, but absolutely not true now.)

Here's a bit on Apple Maps's current situation:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f...

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Post by nvr219 »

aphextron wrote: post #115
grsmto wrote: post #8

I wish they were explaining why they moved away from Mapbox and OSM in general!

>I wish they were explaining why they moved away from Mapbox and OSM in general! Because it sucks. Isn’t that obvious? There’s no point in having a feature that nobody uses. I switched to DDG a few months ago and this has always been the one weakness. This is really good news IMO. Apple maps has come a long long way since launch, and their data is about on par with Google at this point. You can argue all day that of…

> Apple maps has come a long long way since launch, and their data is about on par with Google at this point.

Reporting from Washington, DC: nope.

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Post by shard »

SEJeff wrote: post #131
taf2 wrote: post #110

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Are they or do you just believe that because of what you think you know about the difference between the two companies?

Because Tim Cook, as a homosexual, has teared up when speaking about human rights abuses of homosexual under repressive regimes, and how as the CEO of apple, he will do anything within his power to ensure your data stays safe on apple infra / hw because he personally thinks about it. Can't remember the interview, but it was quite touching actually. He's very clear in shareholder calls / letters and in their privacy p…

This is the same Tim Cook that praised a conference to promote China's "cyber-sovereignty" vision as "developing a a digital economy for openness". Don't forget that Apple is very good at marketing, and will change their message to fit the market.

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Post by ehsankia »

GeekyBear wrote: post #288
johnsea wrote: post #135

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Google _is_ a privacy threat. Completely unrelated to DDG, marketing or believe. One Google with thousand tentacles...

When Google announced to their advertising customers that they were buying everyone's credit card data, that was my own personal bridge too far. >Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as Google said in a blog post on it…

That's a very misleading way of putting it. From your own article:

> In addition, Google does not know what products people bought.

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Post by ucaetano »

latexr wrote: post #249
Aunche wrote: post #203

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I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

> Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

By handing over all iCloud data of Chinese users to the Chinese government?

You surely must be jesting!

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Post by shard »

latexr wrote: post #249
Aunche wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

Make no mistake, Apple is a multi-national megacorp just like Google and Microsoft, and is heavily influenced by shareholder sentiment. When push comes to shove, they will bow to political pressure, as exemplified by Tim Cook's praise for China's conference promoting "cyber-sovereignty" as "a digital economy for openness", and their ceding of China iCloud keys to China servers.

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Post by davidhyde »

setr wrote: post #260
latexr wrote: post #249

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> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

Apple’s main business is hardware, and software that helps sell the hardware. Any revenue from data is likely a seperate, minor stream; and for it to become a significant one, likely requires significant changes in Apple’s operations. Like any other hardware company, they don’t need google’s kind of data collection to make money. But DDG is primarily funded by search, and the search business is funded by ads, which a…

DDG’s “product” is a privacy centric search. Once they get big why would they throw their product away and become like the competition? That simply does not make any sense because the only reason why most people use them is the privacy aspect.

Good on Apple and DDG for realising that privacy has value and using that to grow their product.

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Post by garmaine »

saagarjha wrote: post #133
jedberg wrote: post #81

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No, but there are four left, so we're tracking just above the 5th percentile line.

I think I remember hearing something about the Apollo astronauts having higher-than-average rates of cardiovascular disease as a result of the increased radiation in space.

The sample size is definitely not large enough to make such a broad generalization.

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Post by rising-sky »

Aunche wrote: post #203
johnsea wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google _is_ a privacy threat. Completely unrelated to DDG, marketing or believe. One Google with thousand tentacles...

I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small

Is this opinion or fact?

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