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The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by neuronic »

jpatokal wrote: post #185
simonh wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, apart from the latest iPhones having the best screens ever, the quickest most convenient and most secure unlock mechanism ever, the best computational photography ever, the fastest mobile CPUs ever released and overall being 2+ years ahead of their nearest competition, that was all a few months ago. Old news. What have Apple done for us just now?

Those are all incremental improvements. Nobody's saying Apple's phones are bad, just that they lack compelling differentiators to other phones, including older iPhones.

One compelling differentiator is that they don't lag and stutter when you scroll the app menus directly in your mobile OS.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by rjknight »

orloffm wrote: post #273
lettergram wrote: post #40

My wife and I bought an XS (for her) and XR (for me). We both had Nexus 6p and they were at end of life and wanted to get her a nicer phone for Christmas. Well, after playing with both the XR takes better photos, generally. In addition, the XR gets probably 30% more life on a single charge. Nothing else on the XS is really much better (outside of a couple nice to haves). So now she has the XR and I have the XS. ID re…

Just to note as a single lacking feature of XR: it doesn't have the ForceTouch, so one cannot easily move cursor around text.

You can get the same feature by doing a long press on the space bar, though!

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by zepto »

0x0 wrote: post #26
prepend wrote: post #22

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I’m running both a 5S and 6S with latest iOS. An iPhone 8 should be good for st least five years.

The fact that the 5s got iOS 12 is more of an exception than the rule. The 5 stopped at iOS 10, and the 4s stopped at iOS 9, so the general trend should have stopped the 5s at 11.

The trend isn’t linear

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by m23khan »

Consumers should demand cheaper smartphones with adequate performance -- just like cars, you have toyota corollas and honda civics for the average joe and then you have lexus and cadillacs. Similarly, a cheap, reliable phone for masses and the rich folks can go for their iPhones and Samsung Galaxies.

It seems when it comes to smartphones, consumers are also to blame for unnecessarily spending more then their actual affordability and this is causing lack of cheap+reliable options for the consumer. Almost all smartphone manufacturers are focusing on producing high-end, expensive devices for the wanna be socialites (both men and women).

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by zepto »

0x0 wrote: post #32
code_duck wrote: post #18

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Apple doesn’t phase out their old hardware that quickly. I’m currently using an iPhone 6 with the latest iOS and no complaints.

But if you had bought the 5 when the 6 was new, you'd be stuck at iOS 10, which is missing several security updates, two iterations of new emojis, and many apps refusing to install or update by now.

Because that was before the switch to 64 bit, and isn’t representative.

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Post by hkai »

m23khan wrote: post #294

Consumers should demand cheaper smartphones with adequate performance -- just like cars, you have toyota corollas and honda civics for the average joe and then you have lexus and cadillacs. Similarly, a cheap, reliable phone for masses and the rich folks can go for their iPhones and Samsung Galaxies. It seems when it comes to smartphones, consumers are also to blame for unnecessarily spending more then their actual a…

I haven't seen a lack of midrange smartphones. I've been with HTC for the last six years and intend to stick to those phones until they go out of business.

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Post by atulatul »

mwilcox wrote: post #180
Judgmentality wrote: post #175

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> Fix design. Fire Jony Ive's a$$ and hire some real designers. Apple used to be insanely great at design. Now they are a nobody. Take a look at HomePod. It is an amorphous blob. Every single Bose speaker looks better than HomePod. I'm not a designer, but wasn't Jony Ive largely responsible for leading many of the great designs at Apple, including the iPhone? Or do you think he's stagnated, or perhaps is unfit in his…

He was promoted to handle all design including software. He was best focusing intensely on industrial design for hero products, under Jobs

Hopefully does not end up being a case of Peter Principle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

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Post by michaelt »

protomyth wrote: post #5

I cannot help but think that an iPhone XR mini would have been a great seller if it hit the $450 range. I just don't understand Apple these days, its like they have reverted to the early 90's where they kept jacking the price until even the loyal customers had to exit the ship. I had so believed they would repeat the iPod strategy and start at the top end and slowly squeeze the market by introducing models that fille…

Apple will sell you a new iPhone 7 32GB for $449 [1]

So they already have an offering in that price band. Sure, it's bigger than the iPhone SE, and naturally it doesn't have the prestige of something that costs twice as much, but if you want a new iPhone today and you've got $450, Apple has a product for you.

[1] https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by zepto »

tabs_masterrace wrote: post #223
interlocutor wrote: post #173

Apple's problem is that their rate of innovation has slowed down. iPhone generates over a 100 Billion dollars in revenue. Per year. If any company has the resources to innovate it is Apple. Apple, here are some free ideas. Some of these ideas go beyond the phone and into cell networks. If Google can do that ( https://fi.google.com ) why can't Apple? - Improve cellular reception. We are now heavily reliant on our cell…

How about some more sensors. No phone can tell me the temperature, without checking weather online. What if I want to know the room temperature. Could put humidity, atmospheric pressure sensors in there too, IR cameras, all kinds of cool stuff. Think of the software applications, right know my "smart" phone has no way of knowing if I'm outside or inside. Then, voice mail. Why doesn't this still not work locally? Ther…

What’s the benefit of local voicemail?

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Post by withhighprod »

SyneRyder wrote: post #237
have_faith wrote: post #166

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> because they cost more to build Then they should offer models that are cheaper to manufacture, like the 5c. I'm surprised not to see a successor to the 5c. Maybe they are worried it would be too popular and gouge sales of flagship models negating some of their premium branding. I'm currently on a 6s and see no update path for myself, I would happily sacrifice faceID and some of the higher-end phone materials for a…

> I'm surprised not to see a successor to the 5c. Maybe they are worried it would be too popular... The 5C was a sales flop. In Australia, the 5S was outselling the 5C by eleven times [1]. Even in China, people were buying the more expensive iPhone rather than the plastic 5C one [2]. [1] https://www.smh.com.au/technology/australian-telcos-struggle... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/24/apples-iphone-5c-sales-sto...

yea funny. It’s well known Chinese like to buy expensive items and those can’t afford it will never buy iPhone.
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