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Geez. Okay I didn't realise he was hyper rich. Well, I'm delighted for anyone to want to support electric cars.
He's the #10 richest person in the world!
not counting hidden oil riches or russian oligarch riches
Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as Board Directors
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I think “every expert” may be stretching the truth, unless you are proclaiming that Tesla has no experts working on this.
> every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla I'm saying that when you ask people not getting a paycheck from Tesla, they say that LIDAR is required. Very notably including Mobileye, who severed their connection with Tesla over this disagreement. Mobileye is particularly notable since they invested heavily into camera-only solutions; Mobileye has a strong financial incentive to dismiss LIDAR, yet they don't. It's…
I'm curious, because I honestly dont know, how does LIDAR perform in suboptimal environments such as heavy fog , a Midwest downpour or a blizzard? So far, everything I've read has these cars testing in sunny day (no pun intended) scenarios, with the worst environmental threat being night-time.
Re: Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as Board Directors
#293Bruce Scott, the co-founder of Oracle says, “I remember Larry very distinctly telling me one time: Bruce, we can’t be successful unless we lie to customers.” And adds: “All the things that you would read in books of somebody being a leader, he wasn’t. But he was tenacious; he would never give up on anything.” [0] Elon stretches the truth constantly. Should be a good fit. [0]: https://techcrunch.com/2010/12/01/larry-e…
> "Elon stretches the truth constantly." That's putting it gently. Putting aside his twitter spats, Tesla is still prominently advertising "Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars" [0] even though their cars do not contain LIDAR, which essentially every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla seems to agree is necessary to implement Level 5 self driving cars[1][2]. [0] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot [1] https://www.…
> every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla seems to agree [lidar] is necessary to implement Level 5 self driving cars
As someone that doesn't know anything about self-driving cars, how can this be true? Humans can drive cars with only visual input. Why can't AI?
Re: Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as Board Directors
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Owning shares is not a negative. It's a positive. It means that he's more aligned with shareholders than with management. Boards full of non-shareholders tend to prioritize the paycheck they get as board members, so they tend to not want to rock the boat or get into conflicts with mangement. Those that are shareholders first tend to have a bigger incentive to confront or fire management if they start doing things tha…
Yeah, but this is Larry Ellison we're talking about. Do you want to trust his idea of "good for shareholders"?
> Do you want to trust his idea of "good for shareholders"?
Absolutely. I have no doubt Larry will do what is good for shareholders.
I also have no doubt that Larry will not do what is good for consumers, but that's a separate question.
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#296A lot of people seem negative about this. Can someone explain why? Are there any implications I should expect (as a Tesla owner and stockholder)?
This is just the weekly Tesla hate thread. You will see this sort of negativity around essentially every Tesla-related news item. It's actually an improvement over the near-daily nature of these threads from earlier this year. To answer your question, this changes nothing. He's been a major shareholder for a long time and now he's 1 out of 11 board members.
> You will see this sort of negativity around essentially every Tesla-related news item.
Not really. From the far end of any spectrum, someone in the middle looks like they're on the other side. To anyone else, it looks like there's plenty of Kool-Aid and astroturf all around, and the tone police are usually the worst offenders.
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How does Oracle treat their clients badly? Honestly curious, never worked with them.
They're absolute assholes during license audits and negotiations. They're one of only two companies to earn a spot on my "Never voluntarily do business with" list.
And the other?
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#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Elon stretches the truth constantly." That's putting it gently. Putting aside his twitter spats, Tesla is still prominently advertising "Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars" [0] even though their cars do not contain LIDAR, which essentially every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla seems to agree is necessary to implement Level 5 self driving cars[1][2]. [0] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot [1] https://www.…
> every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla seems to agree [lidar] is necessary to implement Level 5 self driving cars As someone that doesn't know anything about self-driving cars, how can this be true? Humans can drive cars with only visual input. Why can't AI?
Humans can do a lot of things we don't understand how to convince software (...or other humans who don't intrinsically learn it very well) to do.
Lidar lets you get a high degree of accuracy for certain variables in your model - because you can know fairly accurately when and how strong the signal you sent out is, you can have a fairly high degree of confidence when you get reflection of how far away the object is, and feed that into your persistent idea of the world, versus having to use a bunch of heuristics to try and extract that from purely audiovisual data.
(That's my understanding, at least - I don't work in that industry.)
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Elon stretches the truth constantly." That's putting it gently. Putting aside his twitter spats, Tesla is still prominently advertising "Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars" [0] even though their cars do not contain LIDAR, which essentially every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla seems to agree is necessary to implement Level 5 self driving cars[1][2]. [0] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot [1] https://www.…
> every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla seems to agree [lidar] is necessary to implement Level 5 self driving cars As someone that doesn't know anything about self-driving cars, how can this be true? Humans can drive cars with only visual input. Why can't AI?
Because current AI does not seem as good at generalizing as humans?
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> every expert in the field unconnected to Tesla seems to agree [lidar] is necessary to implement Level 5 self driving cars As someone that doesn't know anything about self-driving cars, how can this be true? Humans can drive cars with only visual input. Why can't AI?
Because current AI does not seem as good at generalizing as humans?
Since level 5 driving has not yet been achieved, aren't we talking about future AI, not current AI?