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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by navinsylvester » Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 3:41 AM UTC

petra wrote: post #288

navinsylvester wrote: post #286

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Depends on your team and product needs. I don't think price is the main motivation to use cloud. Ease of use, vast resources to provision without any significant delay and pay for what you use are the main factors. If your infra is not mission critical and if you have deep pockets you can afford to be tied to a vendor. Otherwise - having skilled expertise and designing your architecture in vendor agnostic way is pret…

Does using cloud that more expensive, as a share of revenue, in most businesses ?

Yes. Cloud is way too expensive if pricing is the main criteria.

I have seen many big companies move out of cloud and onto bare metal after realizing how much they could save. But all of them had the expertise to handle the migration and continue the ops with ease.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by scarface74 » Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 12:54 PM UTC

navinsylvester wrote: post #290

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Of all the business risks you have, AWS or Azure going out of business is the least of them. Do you think that the executives at Netflix stay up at night worrying about AWS going out of business?

Its not about them going out of business - its the other way around. Its not just the pricing bump that can have an impact. All cloud providers have some sort of quota. Say if some quota cannot be increased by one provider and your business cannot thrive without it. What would you do?. We had one such case but in the end it worked out positively. We realized GCP had 100 service account limitation when we exhausted it…

AWS has all sort of “soft limits” that you can email support about and they will increase it within 30 minutes. Out of the three major cloud providers, GCP is the worse when it comes to customer service and understanding the needs of an enterprise.

Amazon will gladly let you spend all of the money you want to spend.

In your specific case, not being able to view but a maximum amount on the website is normal that’s what the CLI/APIs are for.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by bduerst » Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #239

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When was this? Was it an event or an onsite client visit? Was it for cloud or a different product?

That was about 3 years ago or maybe 2. They came to showcase their solutions to the Marketing department. I dont think it was Cloud, they were focusing if I remember correctly on the Google Analytics Entreprise plan and its benefits. I cant remember the details of the presentation but I remember vividly the holes in their jeans in front of a well dressed audience.

Thank you for answering succinctly.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by gibba999 » Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 12:39 AM UTC

plantain wrote: post #232

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... and you get what you pay for. Whenever I've had a problem on AWS, I've spoken to a human being, and had a detailed information on what was happening and how they were fixing it. I don't have a support plan through Amazon, but I do a bit of business there (now). When I had a problem with Google, the response was a stone wall. Online FAQs and no one to talk to. Even security issues, they blow people off on. I would…

I have no idea how you are getting someone to talk to from AWS without paying. I have had 10k/mo spend with both and without a support plan you get absolutely nothing, and with they fall over themselves to help, calling you immediately after filing tickets.

Some of the projects I work on are pretty high-profile. I assumed they did that for everybody, but perhaps that lead to special treatment?

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Post by SyneRyder » Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 11:12 AM UTC

stevehawk wrote: post #257

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I went with a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga. It hasn't arrived yet, so I can't directly compare, but I've tried the keyboard & trackpad in store & they feel about as good as my mid-2012 MacBook Pro. I chose the premium screen upgrade to HDR Dolby Digital 500 nits, 8th-Gen Core i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, touchscreen/pen & 3yr Next Day On-site Warranty was $1500 cheaper than a MacBook Pro with the same specs. The Thinkpad X1 h…

Thinkpad Yoga (20CD-S02C00) owner here. 4 years and going strong. People on airplanes perpetually confused by my oversized "tablet" that I switched from coding on to highlighting passages in ebooks with a pen. Battery is finally starting to fail though and even though it's an i7 w/ 8GB RAM it is finally starting to feel "slow". I'd love to hear your thoughts on battery life doing anything useful (not watching movies)…

I've had the X1 Yoga a few days. I haven't done a proper battery test, but I think it will do at least a solid 7 hours of browsing & emailing, and it feels like it will be on par with my MacBook Pro 2012. The 7 hours is a pessimistic estimate - sometimes it bounces up to 10 hours, and I did 2 hours of actual work & the battery only drained to 80%. But if I watch a YouTube video, that estimate drops to 7 hours.

I'm more worried about screen issues. I got the premium HDR Dolby Vision screen, and I love the 500 nits & the wide color gamut is stunning & very OLED-like. But the calibration is off, the screen has a red-tint that hurts my eyes and makes the rest of the world look sickly green when I look away from the screen. I fear I'll have to buy an X-Rite and make my own calibration. It isn't like my Dell monitor, which came individually calibrated & with a printout of the calibration.

Also, this X1 Yoga (or Windows?) does lots of dynamic screen dimming, which was messing with Sublime Text in Monokai (dark) theme. It would dim the screen so much that white text would become mid-grey & it was unreadable & low contrast. I was able to turn that setting off, but doing so has reduced battery life to the numbers you see above.

If having a large / replaceable SSD wasn't a priority (and battery was more of a priority), I think I would very seriously consider the Surface Book 2. But hopefully I'll like the X1 Yoga more as I get used to it.