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Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by dannyw »

userbinator wrote: post #245
kcmp wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People loved it when Apple did it which gave everyone else the okay to go ahead and do it themselves. It allows phone manafacturers to advertise higher screen to body ratios and is really just a step in the progression towards bezelless phones. There's definitely a loud group of people who strongly dislike it but I think most people are okay with it

the progression towards bezelless phones I hope not. The bezel has a very real purpose: a place to hold it without your fingers interfering with the screen, whether by activating a touch or just plain blocking the view. I have an older Android with ~5mm of bezel on all the sides and ~8mm of thickness, and trying to get a good grip while not activating or blocking the screen is hard enough. I remember being handed an…

I've never had, or heard of this been a problem with the iPhone X, and I know plenty of people who use it with a case or without a case.

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Post by ishaanbahal »

blinkingled wrote: post #113

Essential has done a fabulous job with Android updates - https://twitter.com/essential/status/1026516461907369984?s=2... I hope they stay afloat and release a successor to the PH-1.

I heard they cancelled it, but in all honesty, they did something that every one caught up on, including Apple I think, the notch! And they even did it right. I think they should get to release another device, this time just pricing it right would probably help them get a better market hold. PH-1, is amazing because of the updates!

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Post by adrian_mrd »

sjwright wrote: post #242
adrian_mrd wrote: post #135

Does anyone know if Final Cut Pro X or Premiere Pro (or other popular video editing tools) yet support encoding to the "HDR VP9 Profile 2" ? (HDR VP9 Profile 2 is isted as a new feature, as per "Android 9 adds built-in support for HDR VP9 Profile 2, so you can now deliver HDR-enabled movies to your users on HDR-capable devices." yet I wonder if this is effectively a telco-friendly video codec not widely used by media…

I don't think publishing to a single specific profile is an appropriate use of a desktop video editing application. It's like typesetting a paperback book by pressing "print" from Microsoft Word. You should be exporting a "master" file from your editor and getting your delivery platform (or at minimum a dedicated transcoding app) to output to the various profiles. Also, exporting HDR content isn't as simple as changi…

Yeah, all good points, although sometimes one just needs to export a file or two (as opposed to setting up a publishing workflow or a system).

And Compressor for Final Cut Pro X or Adobe Media Encoder CC for Premiere Pro CC are effectively integrated (or some of the export code) for such a function - or are launched via the apps when you ‘Export’ or ‘Share’, although this can depend upon your CC plan or whether you have purchased/installed Compressor, or not.

The ‘crushing the HDR’ is a good point, I’ll have to look up how this codec handles DR and colour gamet :)

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Post by faragon »

In my opinion, Android should focus in quality/stability and UI responsiveness. E.g. it blows my mind that Nokia N900 (2009, Maemo Linux) was, in some cases, way more responsive in the UI than current Android running in hardware 20x faster.

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Post by Mindwipe »

halflings wrote: post #286
0x00000000 wrote: post #254

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Yet I get ads for something I bought weeks ago, I get ads saying "sign up for Facebook" even though I'm logged in on the very same phone, and Facebook's "advertising profile" is completely backwards for my political views. When I accidentally click a certain type of YouTube video my recommend fills up with that type of video even if I watched it for 5 seconds. Same with Amazon recommended. In my experience, "personal…

Personalized recommendations make or break certain businesses like media and e-commerce. Not unusual to see an increase in revenue between 10% and 30% after adding recommendations. They're not "universally trash", since the alternative is showing you truly random items, or whatever item is the most popular. Check YouTube's "trending" tab and come back here to say if you'd rather have that instead of the personalized…

YouTube's trending tab is algorithmically generated, not the actually most popular. That's why is called something vague like "trending" and not "most popular".

It is trash, but that's what you get when you use data based recommendations.

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Post by izacus »

ilove_banh_mi wrote: post #239
pornel wrote: post #228

It's a shame that Google has stopped upgrading the OS on the Nexus line of phones.

Is there a reason for them not upgrading Android on Nexus? Disappointing news since I bought mine a mere 2 years ago.

The major reason (according to the dev podcast) is that SoC vendors simply drop support and don't update drivers for new Android versions. This pretty much blocks any kind of updates since mobile drivers are all closed binary blobs.

Before 8.0 Android driver layer wasn't separate from other OS layer so they couldn't upgrade Android separately.

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Post by solidr53 »

sidlls wrote: post #218
j_coder wrote: post #188

It is amazing how each new version of Android has a complete new UX and none of them are actually good. Google is basically a back-end company incapable of doing good UX (if it is more than a search bar).

I have a more negative view. The entire Android development experience is substandard from front to back. The entire framework feels over engineered and bloated no matter which system or API it is.

This. I am a React Native developer, while working on a lot of backend things, bridging native API's to JS, I must say the developer experience on iOS is absolutely fantastic. Made me switch from Pixel to iPhone X, I've had android since the Google Nexus One, so yeah longtime Android user.

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Post by Mindwipe »

mikeevans wrote: post #2

Interesting that the Digital Wellbeing features that were teased at IO aren't being launched today, but part of _another_ beta that you have to opt in to. (And Pixel series only?)

It's almost like they're there to satisfy some strategist in Google so they can say to governments that they're trying, while not actually believing there's any issue and with zero chance of any user take-up.

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Post by wyclif »

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #94
josephh wrote: post #84

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I believe most of the preconception against Samsung-branded Android OS is based on their experience with older (pre S6) devices. I wholeheartedly agree they were bad at it back then (esp. the bloatware that poorly replicated the functionality of various stock apps), but they've since gotten significantly better with their UX.

Yes I would forgive anyone who used pre-s6 devices to think Samsung is some lackluster copycat with slow TouchWiz UI and terrible useability

Why not just flash the ROM and install vanilla Android instead of settling for TouchWiz and other third party bloatware?

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Post by Klover »

mehrdadn wrote: post #270
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #108

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You're right Google no longer has the trust it used to enjoy. So many apps have been uploading entire call logs and it's really absurd this was so easiy accessible to all apps.

Could you cite some popular apps that do this? This is news to me.

Facebook is a popular app.
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