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Post by tajen »

intopieces wrote: post #172
tajen wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: Tinder. The #metoo campaign has helped a lot too, frightening men into never doing real-life courting. “There’s a place to do such things!”, we’ve heard, namely (paid) clubs, Tinder and other commercial places.

The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. Good to hear the movement is working.

This is so closed minded. The men scared are the shy ones, the ones who respect women, the ones who listen to awareness campaigns... the ones that wouldn’t have done any damage anyway.

The only ones who are still courting are the stubborn ones, the kind of men who are never touched by any awareness campaign. The potential pigs (and I use this term because it’s the one promoted by the #AllMenArePigs campaign).

So, to make it clear (and your condescending tone and narrow mind really helps solving and understanding problems), women are only getting courted by the pigs nowadays, and can’t meet the poetic/shy/humble men who don’t dare breaking the anti-courting laws. Which, from the perspective of women, reinforces the feeling that only pigs exists.

Problem solved?

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Post by adrianN »

crazygringo wrote: post #245
CalRobert wrote: post #175

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That seems pretty cheap. How much is rent on a similar amount of space? Remember all the space needed for accessing the spot, administration (if any), too! Or are there different rules for storing cars than people? (Incidentally, there very much are different rules, and for the most part US cities have worked very, very hard to make it easier to add cars than people).

Well, at $5/sq ft/mo. for average real estate (Manhattan, e.g. a 600 sq ft apt is $3K/mo), and if a parking space is 180 ft, then that's $900/mo., or $30/day, plus overhead/access. So $30-50/day seems right, especially considering parking garages tend to be underground, no plumbing, etc., so the space is presumably cheaper than residential/office.

If you build only one story above the parking space...

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Post by tajen »

xapata wrote: post #257
serf wrote: post #179

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>The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. You're so wrong. There is plenty of 'collateral damage' from folks that just want to avoid litigation more-so than they desire a relationship.

No, you're so wrong. Sorry, just had to throw it back at you to emphasize how silly it sounds. I'm guessing you're referring to people that want to date their co-workers? Otherwise, it's hard to think of who else might worry about litigation when considering a romantic overture.

Ever heard of this taxi driver in Israel who got hit by a rape accusation, but was able to show the camera records to prove that it was a false complaint and the girl only got upset because the taxi driver told her to stop smoking in the car? Ever heard of so many false accusations from women, that are only used to fire a coworker, a CEO, a boss? Ever heard of couch promotions, where the girl shows her [redacted], only to claim a #metoo later in her career? Ever heard that a man who calls the police against a woman has 50% chances (in France), 70% chances (in USA) and 85% chances (in Israel) that the police takes HIM to custody? Ever heard that accusations are weaponized nowadays?

Really, “it’s hard to think of who else might worry about litigation when considering a romantic overture” ??? Pretty much every man, whether or not they actually did anything.

You have no idea what kind of terror men live under nowadays. Several times I had to convince male victims of false accusations not to throw a mass murder. That’s the level of injustice that you’re generating against men. It’s as-ton-ish-ing that some people are still ignorant of that. Even most women I meet are aware that the #metoo campaign was disastrous in terms of fairness, justice and legitimacy. And I’m starting to meet many men who never want to work with women.

Talk about a success.

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Post by xapata »

tajen wrote: post #293
xapata wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're so wrong. Sorry, just had to throw it back at you to emphasize how silly it sounds. I'm guessing you're referring to people that want to date their co-workers? Otherwise, it's hard to think of who else might worry about litigation when considering a romantic overture.

Ever heard of this taxi driver in Israel who got hit by a rape accusation, but was able to show the camera records to prove that it was a false complaint and the girl only got upset because the taxi driver told her to stop smoking in the car? Ever heard of so many false accusations from women, that are only used to fire a coworker, a CEO, a boss? Ever heard of couch promotions, where the girl shows her [redacted], on…

I'm male and not terrified, nor even worried about such things. I'm not who this "you" is that you're referring to.

Regarding the chances of arrest, that makes sense to me. I suspect the police are rationally responding to the likelihood of violence.

Regarding the fellows who are considering mass murder, I suggest you notify the police.

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Post by lazyjones »

antoineMoPa wrote: post #159
lazyjones wrote: post #108

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A self-driving car will ideally drop you off in front of your commute target and go find a parking space at a convenient location that might even be outside town.

This would multiply traffic in cities, which would be a terrible alternative.

It would add some traffic to/from parking lots but reduce the “find a parking space near my target” traffic.

Re: American Cities Are Drowning in Car Storage

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Post by tajen »

xapata wrote: post #294
tajen wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever heard of this taxi driver in Israel who got hit by a rape accusation, but was able to show the camera records to prove that it was a false complaint and the girl only got upset because the taxi driver told her to stop smoking in the car? Ever heard of so many false accusations from women, that are only used to fire a coworker, a CEO, a boss? Ever heard of couch promotions, where the girl shows her [redacted], on…

I'm male and not terrified, nor even worried about such things. I'm not who this "you" is that you're referring to. Regarding the chances of arrest, that makes sense to me. I suspect the police are rationally responding to the likelihood of violence. Regarding the fellows who are considering mass murder , I suggest you notify the police.

It’s not because you’re not a victim that you should assume everyone is like you.

Considering the fact that you “suspect th police does their job”, it might be better not to assume and check directly, because you may be saddened about the difference between what we think happens and the hard truth.

> Regarding the fellows who are considering mass murder, I suggest you notify the police.

I just told you their story and how it’s possible to prevent their attraction to mass murder, and you’re basically saying “Let’s continue wronging them, and if they feel wronged, let’s put them in the hands of the police.” Your lack of humanity is a blatant display of the state of humanity towards men: None at all.

Good lord you’re ignominious.

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Post by cozzyd »

dsnuh wrote: post #280
cozzyd wrote: post #158

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But buses will be much cheaper to operate too, so they wouldn't be standing room only. A city that had only buses and no private cars would have a very fast and efficient transportation network.

Why will buses be much cheaper than they are now? Because they are driverless? I think that's one small part of the calculation that goes into fare prices.

Labor is usually the dominant cost of running buses in rich countries. You'd still presumably have to hire inspectors to make sure people pay the fare but you only need a small multiplier of those two buses.

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Post by stretchwithme »

cozzyd wrote: post #158
stretchwithme wrote: post #98

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In major cities, its already more convenient not to own a car, even if your stuck using mass transit. The area where that is the case will expand enormously once a chauffeur driven limousine is cheaper than standing-room-only mass transit. There's no way I'd drive up to San Francisco and deal with parking when I can be driven up there and dropped off for the same money. Even twice the same money would be a good deal.

But buses will be much cheaper to operate too, so they wouldn't be standing room only. A city that had only buses and no private cars would have a very fast and efficient transportation network.

Buses suck. Their fixed routes suck. Their infrequent schedules suck. Stopping at every stop sucks. Having to put up with what other people do on them sucks. Not being able to sleep because you're not by yourself sucks.

There really is no way buses win.

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Post by UncleEntity »

CalRobert wrote: post #288
UncleEntity wrote: post #266

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Enraged? no... Observant? perhaps... I believe this is what people like to call "the tragedy of the commons." There's only like two other neighborhoods in all of Phoenix where there's a residents only parking restriction codified into law so apparently the bureaucrats also think maybe there's an overgrazing problem. > I'm sure if you want to pay market rate for that land you can get your very own parking spot. Or I c…

I think myself and the flagged comment (which was pretty reasonable, really) were trying to point out the oddity in thinking it's a problem that you can't use taxpayer land (so funds) for your private car storage. You can buy land where you can put your car, or if there's a shortage an entropreneur can do so and start a lot, but it's not a "problem" that nonresidents are parking there unless you feel a special right…

You know, I totally agree.

I think everyone missed that the whole point was to provide a counter-example to "far-away restaurants with large parking lots" by describing my personal experiences with the exact opposite. Just because someone thought it was a big enough problem to get the city involved doesn't mean that I personally felt the same way, I simply quit giving them my money and called it a day. Well, also got rid of my truck (that I didn't drive for six years) so I had somewhere to park the work car that wasn't on the street because I didn't want to go get a resident parking permit -- problem solved without involving taxpayer funds...

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