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Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by eumenides1 »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #278
Cofike wrote: post #127

I was born in Buffalo, no longer there due to lack of tech jobs (that isn’t blue cross blue shield). The Canadian side of Niagara Falls already destroys our side. Much more development. Way more activities to do. Gorgeous view of the falls. All around better. Now that weed is legalized this will only become more and more apparent. They will attract more individuals from both sides of the border and I bet see much mor…

Personally, I prefer the American side more. It has a more park like feel to it where you can enjoy the falls while sitting on the lawn, away from car honks and road noise. The Canadian side seems like an urban jungle with the waterfalls take a side step to tall hotel buildings and casinos.

The Canadian side is relatively developed (vs american side) and an economic engine (tourism, jobs, wines). Your parent commenter's point I believe is that the federal/state/local government has failed the local people in investing and developing a local economy in the area. Both sides have essentially the same resources (the falls), but one side is doing better (economically) than the other.

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Post by Nasrudith »

rusk wrote: post #243
lumisota wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be for a second referendum on an actual agreement for what Britain's relationship with the EU would be, post-Brexit. Some of the options, particularly those favoured by those that voted to remain, are poor.

I think many people right across the continent would probably have similar feelings. Many are "unhappy" with how the EU is presently being run but nobody would want to "leave". The confusion around Brexit emerges from just how poorly the referendum was run. It was a choice between "remain" which can only be a vote for the status quo (unsatisfactory for many) and "leave" which is open to so many interpretations as to…

Reminds me of all of the scapegoating of the EU for local policies and outright fiction like banana curve standards.

Ironically the actual things to object to the EU about like their godawful internet policy proposals aren't on the radar.

Anyway UK has parliamentary supremacy so a constitution would be empty words without changing that. I would say that the policy seems very dangerous but constituions are messy in terms of getting ease of change right - especially in such an legal body. Imagine if nasty old bits like not allowing Jews to inherit property got embedded.

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Post by 3pt14159 »

ihsw2 wrote: post #269
1over137 wrote: post #263

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Well, Netherlands has edibles in its cafes, whereas Canada is not allowing edibles in the new regime (yet).

Which is unfortunate because cannabis edibles are the most accessible way to consume it in privacy and without the odor or smokey exhaust. There is research on THC-infused drinks that match the alcoholic beverage experience in time-to-inebriation and the duration of inebriation. Current methods of cannabis consumption stretch the experience out over a long period, which naturally is unfeasible for restaurant venues a…

They're going to allow it, but they want to make sure that the dosages are predictable. Right now the edibles black market in Canada is very unpredictable. Something marked as 200 could be as high as 500.

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by chx »

I have a very simple world view which, I guess, could be considered a radically liberal one: everyone can do as they please as long as it doesn't tread on the same rights of another person. You want to inject, snort or sniff something? Go ahead! It's your body, after all. Neither I, nor any government should have anything to say about this. Obviously, you should not operate a vehicle while intoxicated and we need to have a conversation on who pays how much for health care -- but are we going to punish obese people too...? So that's a more complicated conversation but in itself no drug use should be criminal.

Along these lines I only have one question: why only cannabis? (I am Canadian.)

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Post by inscionent »

exogeny wrote: post #111

I despise getting involved in threads like this, because they always descend into whataboutism ("Oh, but alcohol is worse!, etc.), but here we go with my anecdotal evidence. Me, personally, not a huge fan. I dabbled and experimented like a good chunk of Americans, decided it wasn't for me. Not necessarily because I didn't enjoy it - although I was involved in quite a bit of team sports at the time and was worried abo…

Lots of people overuse cannabis, full stop. This has been the byproduct of a prohibition culture, where discussion and research in the public sphere has been impossible.

There is no control for your acquaintances, but there are many examples of ambitions and creative recreational cannabis users.

Most people get older and boring, that is the way of the world. The idea of protecting the ambition and energy of friends is noble but extremely paternalistic. "...it appeared to be quite damaging..." isn't a strong enough argument for me to be denied my autonomy to use cannabis responsibly.

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Post by pimlottc »

rayiner wrote: post #279
zachrose wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Drug prohibition has been a categorical failure in every outcome it was intended to achieve. The following flavor of comment has been made many times on HN, but since I’m halfway through Michelle Alexander’s book The New Jim Crow I’m in the mood for making it again here: The drug war has been “successful”, because its goal was to incarcerate, disenfranchise, extort, terrorize, and break apart the families of minori…

The last point is unsupportable. The increase in crime rate started in the 1960s: https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2016/07/Violent-Crim... . By 1982, when Reagan declared the war on drugs, violent crime had nearly quadrupled since 1960, and was near the eventual 1992 peak. It had already more than doubled by 1972 when Nixon first used the phrase “war on drugs” (though it wasn’t Reagan that actually waged that…

Your link shows violent crime. Parent comment addressed drug crimes. It’s not clear to me how related those two things are.

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Post by ynniv »

rayiner wrote: post #279
zachrose wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Drug prohibition has been a categorical failure in every outcome it was intended to achieve. The following flavor of comment has been made many times on HN, but since I’m halfway through Michelle Alexander’s book The New Jim Crow I’m in the mood for making it again here: The drug war has been “successful”, because its goal was to incarcerate, disenfranchise, extort, terrorize, and break apart the families of minori…

The last point is unsupportable. The increase in crime rate started in the 1960s: https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2016/07/Violent-Crim... . By 1982, when Reagan declared the war on drugs, violent crime had nearly quadrupled since 1960, and was near the eventual 1992 peak. It had already more than doubled by 1972 when Nixon first used the phrase “war on drugs” (though it wasn’t Reagan that actually waged that…

An explanation that fits the data better

Only if you ignore the overwhelming racial bias in enforcement.

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Post by draw_down »

chx wrote: post #294

I have a very simple world view which, I guess, could be considered a radically liberal one: everyone can do as they please as long as it doesn't tread on the same rights of another person. You want to inject, snort or sniff something? Go ahead! It's your body, after all. Neither I, nor any government should have anything to say about this. Obviously, you should not operate a vehicle while intoxicated and we need to…

You’re right, that is simple. Perhaps one might even say simplistic. But I think that’s actually to the point here; there aren’t any very good arguments in favor of prohibition.

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Post by freehunter »

chx wrote: post #294

I have a very simple world view which, I guess, could be considered a radically liberal one: everyone can do as they please as long as it doesn't tread on the same rights of another person. You want to inject, snort or sniff something? Go ahead! It's your body, after all. Neither I, nor any government should have anything to say about this. Obviously, you should not operate a vehicle while intoxicated and we need to…

I think that would be a classically liberal view rather than a radically liberal one. As in, French Revolution type of classical.

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Post by Shengbo »

mseebach wrote: post #180
mattbessey wrote: post #167

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A handle is a bottle size in the US, 1.75L. Often made of plastic since its so big it would weigh more in glass, and perhaps because the kind of booze you buy in that quantity ain't luxury.

And, pertinent to the name, such a bottle will often have a handle built in. https://siestaspirits.com/products/jim-beam-kentucky-straigh...

Thanks, never seen anything like that in Europe.
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