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GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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What you have described is _exactly_ how regulation works. It's still a hundred times better than what most countries in the world produce, since it's designed around the average human and not a megaco.

This isn't about how it works, it's about whether it works or not. That companies need to follow the law isn't exactly confusing, and nobody is saying they shouldn't, but when the law cant even clearly answer basic questions of who it applies to and when, that's a problem. There are examples of regulation that does work, but GDPR is not really in that category.

> but when the law cant even clearly answer basic questions of who it applies to and when

I haven't seen many grey areas or difficult corner cases in the discussions here, so far.

Only people claiming that everything is unclear, because they don't want to accept the truth: that they clearly fall under the GDPR.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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>To offer a non-dev perspective on Hn, it feels like tech companies are really trying to annoy us users with GDPR updates in an effort to nurture opposition to similar proposed regulations in the future. I hope it doesn't work. You think businesses are that forward thinking? You think there is some grand conspiracy to annoy users so that they hate regulation?

You think businesses are that forward thinking? Definitely. Adhering to new regulations costs man hours and $, companies understandably would rather not be forced to comply. No grand conspiracy just long term bus dev.

>Definitely. Adhering to new regulations costs man hours and $, companies understandably would rather not be forced to comply. No grand conspiracy just long term bus dev.

The simpler explanation is that these ultra annoying pop-ups make it more likely for people to accept the ToS and allow the service to begin monetizing.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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A point with many sites is that they use ad networks and those ad networks send localized ads to Europeans, thus the site targets (or "envisages") Europeans. Even if the actual content is about quite local things.

In my personal opinion, that would be both a stretch of this recital and an abusive use of the GDPR. You don’t control what ads are shown to anyone because they are served by a third party, and you have a good faith belief that you are not subject to GDPR under Recital 23. My guess is that if you used an ad network that specialized in EU ads, you’d be subject to it. But using code from a US ad network that may have s…

I don't see how you can possibly say that. If I'm serving a german an ad in german, for a german business, then how the hell am I not clearly doing business in germany?

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Can American businesses actually be sued or anything over GDPR? What if all my servers are housed in america? If I have a user agreement that my users agree to, I don't particularly care what another country thinks about what kinds of privacy they think my users are entitled to. I would already have a legal agreement in that case.

If it is against the GDPR, then it is an illegal agreement in the EU. Non-enforceable contracts are a thing. You are not allowed to literally sign away your firstborn, sell yourself into slavery, or accept a job at less than minimum wage.

Enforceability will generally be based on revenue streams coming from the EU (oh you want a credit card processed from an EU user? We'll be taking that money as a payment towards your fine.) If you're a particularly flagrant violator, they may arrest you if you ever dare set foot on European soil.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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I'm the author of the post. My most stupid post is in HN! crazy! I just wanted to be sarcastic and make some laughs about people blocking all traffic from Europe, which is crazy! It's a Friday afternoon blog post to show how cool my product is with Cloudflare Workers and having fun at the same time!

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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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> You mean like America? Yes, like America. This may shock you, but America isn't always right.

> Yes, like America. This may shock you, but America isn't always right. That was exactly your parent's point?

So whataboutism is a valid justification to continue the practice?

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Is it onerous because you are doing dodgy things with EU citizens data, because you don't take information security seriously or because you've fallen for some of the FUD around GDPR (having to hire a DPO, being fined 2 trillion dollars, etc etc)? If it's too hard for you to copy paste a GDPR compliant privacy policy and monitor a GDPR email address then well, maybe you're in the wrong job.

We do take security seriously and we're not doing anything dodgy. We have business reasons for collecting user data, and users have no real reason to tell us to delete it at will, other than the fact that it makes them feel "creeped out". The future is probably going to be super creepy. If you want to participate, get over it.

So we just have to believe you? With no effective recourse if you lie? no thanks.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Considered this before, but it doesnt work. IIRC, the law applies to euro citizens both living in country and abroad. As such, geoip blocking is not a working strategy. (a french citizen who lives in japan still had GDPR rights) A better one would likely be a clickwrap agreement for all users stating "European citizens are not allowed on this service" which they have to click a "I am not european" tickbox to.

As an American in Europe I didn’t have HIPPA rights. How the hell does the EU claim extraterritorial jurisdiction over the entire world? And people complain about America being “imperialist?”

It doesn't. GP is spreading falsehoods. The law applies to users in the Union, regardless of citizenship.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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>because its based on principles rather than hard rules They tried hard rules, rather than principles with the cookie laws and the companies around the world turned a good idea into a shit-show of popups while continuing to behave like nothing happened. Honestly the more I read and the more I see how different business react I start to view the GDPR as EU finally showing that will not accept businesses viewing it as…

95% of my GDPR work has done nothing for actual privacy. If this is how the EU "represents the best interest of 500 million people," then no thank you.

I think you are mistaken - the amount of effort big companies are putting into this certainly already has improved privacy significantly- and its just the beginning!

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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To offer a non-dev perspective on Hn, it feels like tech companies are really trying to annoy us users with GDPR updates in an effort to nurture opposition to similar proposed regulations in the future. I hope it doesn't work. I love GDPR, getting rid of the WHOIS database stuff alone is enough to make me a huge fan. The option to delete my data is also amazing.

Isn't this pretty much what happened with the cookie law? It states that cookies necessary for the functioning of sites were ok, but everyone ended up putting up those warnings anyways and it greatly diluted any benefit of the rule and it ended up like Prop 65: warnings everywhere, even when they weren't useful. Overall, it just led to the law being ridiculed.

We just added an EU surcharge to our pricing model. This isn’t a hard law to comply with, but you need a lot of business in Europe for re-factoring and lawyering up to make sense. Even if you do nothing dodgy, you’re going to need to be ready to handle incorrect requests and misguided complaints.
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