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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by maxxxxx »

freeone3000 wrote: post #151
maxxxxx wrote: post #127

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I just experienced this with a contractor. I have never seen him do anything himself. I strongly suspect he is sending his work somewhere else.

He's a contractor . That's the difference between him and an employee: He chooses the time, place, and manner of his work, including subcontracting it. If he's not allowed to do this, chances are you have an employee.

This contractor is working onsite during normal working hours. I am not even judging the situation but from what I can see he is not doing anything himself. He also got hired with the assumption that he would do the work.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by shepardrtc »

andrewstuart wrote: post #72

I'm a recruiter. Three anecdotes come to mind for this topic: #1 I once sent out a coding test email to a candidate. Not long after I got an email back from this candidate saying "Hey bro could you do this test for me please." or words to that effect. Obviously mistakenly forwarded it back to me instead of to his bro who he wanted to do his coding test. #2 I definitely got catfished but it was by another recruiter wh…

> One thing I'd be interested to do is run some sort of duplicate text detecter over my candidate database.

You'll probably get a double-digit percentage of hits. I google parts from every resume I receive when I'm hiring for a position. About half have bits and pieces copied from somewhere else.

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Post by lovich »

andrewstuart wrote: post #201
lovich wrote: post #185

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Maybe hire one of the devs you interact with to search for duplicates? Searching for duplicates substrings isn't necessarily something that could be done off the shelf but it shouldn't be too hard for a competent dev to get you a working process

I'm a developer - I could do it but I can't be bothered - not important, merely interesting.

Ah well if you ever get the itch and do it, please post the results. I would be interested in seeing the data

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Post by learc83 »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #192
ironjunkie wrote: post #179

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I think what you are really saying is that you will fire people for lies bigger than a specific "threshold", which I understand and agree with. What I'm saying is that in the social work environment everyone lies to some level and it is actually widely accepted so. I googled exactly for 5 seconds and found this article to give you a couple examples: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11652018/10-que...

That’s not really what I’m saying at all. Every lie you tell jeopardises the trust you have amongst others. You might not get caught, and if you do, you may not damage the trust irreparably depending on the magnitude of the lie. I’m also saying that a workplace cannot be functional without trust, and that a workplace that tolerates dishonesty will invariably erode it. So unless you want to exist in such a workplace,…

You ever politely laugh at something you really didn't find all that funny?

Human social interactions are built on small deceptions. Some amount of dishonesty is required if you want to avoid being an awkward social pariah. If you are incapable of any social dishonesty whatsoever, you will quickly be labeled an inappropriate, self righteous asshole.

Of course there is a limit to those social norms. Dishonesty that exceeds those limits moves from being polite to what most of us consider lying.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tokyodude wrote: post #268
justherefortart wrote: post #136

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Everyone lies, because the interviewing process itself is a fucking joke, ESPECIALLY in the Bay Area. If the person can answer all my questions and they have a good attitude, I honestly don't give a shit what got them to that point. If someone doesn't work out, you can fire them. Yes it's "exhausting", maybe if it's so difficult to manage or run a business you should find a different role for yourself. I really enjoy…

this is not a brag but I have never lied in an interview so I have to assume plenty of others have never lied. I have not exaggerated either or told white lies during an interview. Not saying I never lie but never in an interview. If I don’t know sonething I say so. I might follow with “but I can probably figure it out” or “but I think it’s ...” or “I don’t know off the top of my head but it’s the type of thing I loo…

I don’t lie either, but rarely get job offers, so I should probably start.

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Post by benburleson »

navs wrote: post #86

sigh > Rule #2: Take a long hard look at a candidate’s social profiles. Is not having a LinkedIn account going to come back to bite me, even when applying for dev roles? I've had even senior devs at popular local dev shops say LinkedIn is a "necessary evil" because it: 1. is easy to grep 2. you can find whether a candidate has similar connections to you 3. recommendations I get New Zealand is small and the social gra…

"Necessary evil" is the exact phrase I've used to describe LinkedIn for many years now; it's really sad.

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Post by JaggedNZ »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #234
jamiepenney wrote: post #113

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I find it handy because most of the time I know some shared connections and I can chat to them about the person (like you said, New Zealand is a small place). I know what you mean, I avoided creating a profile for the longest time, especially because they were doing a lot of shady stuff around sending emails to all your contacts. However I find it to be a genuinely useful tool now. In saying all of that, I'm not goin…

How long should a CV be for New Zealand companies? A friend in Wellington (Andrew Amesbury) recommended that I rewrite mine with more details, even though it's now 7 pages instead of 2. I worked at Fisher & Paykel Healthcare in Auckland while on a Working Holiday visa in 2011-2012. I still have some friends there, but they now outsourced their recruiting so internal references don't help as much. My previous boss (Ma…

3 or 4 pages should be about right IMHO, most tech hiring managers don't want to read your complete life story, just figure out if you look like you have the right skill sets and experience.

At a quick glance your current CV is light on specific technologies and languages. i.e. are you an embedded C programmer? Ruby? PHP? Net? Can you use Github, docker, whatever. most of this is just to get past the "HR filter".

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Post by drdeadringer »

fenwick67 wrote: post #282
drdeadringer wrote: post #219

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> Everyone lies I am clueless about certain things and perhaps this is one of them... but really? Outright lies of pure red-handed snake-oil fiction? Surely there must be a line between the "HR speak" most must sing along to and reality that does not qualify as pure uncut straight-up lies. Help me understand what you mean.

For literal people like myself the line between a lie such as "my biggest flaw is I work too hard" or "I have never used illegal drugs" and a lie like "I worked at Acme Corp" can seem thin.

Please explain to me how "this person worked here" compares to "I never inhaled". These two statements do not equalize for me.

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Post by abiox »

matte_black wrote: post #278
abiox wrote: post #258

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i'm not sure what you mean. do you have some reference to point to that says a "contractor" can't be expected to not sub-contract or work in a particular place and time? i'm honestly curious.

Yes, the law . You don’t get to enforce when and where a contractor works. They can perhaps agree to it to keep a good relationship, but they are not obligated, and if they change their mind the only thing you can do is fire them. You also don’t get to choose how they do their job. If they agreed to do something for a given price, they can do it how they see fit, even hiring a subcontractor. Don’t like it? Don’t hire…

> Yes, the law

thanks, but i'm hoping for something more specific. like a us code or something. i'm skeptical that you're speaking to something that actually exists, but i'm happy to see evidence of what you're talking about.

> You don’t get to enforce when and where a contractor works.

i'm not sure what you mean by "enforce" exactly, other than perhaps you mean to say a contract is not allowed to stipulate that, for example, a contractor work during the day to coordinate with others, or work on-site to handle materials in a secure location, or not hand privileged or sensitive data over to unknown random people.

> Where do you work?

at a large company that has both employees and contractors.

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