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Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by chopin »

794CD01 wrote: post #246
chopin wrote: post #157

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I remind you, very sensitive data is handled on Windows 10 Pro machines. Or would you require each doctor to maintain an Enterprise IT infrastructure. Here in Germany, it is still controversial whether Windows 10 machines can be used in public services at all.

Would you trust each doctor to know enough about IT security to be capable of protecting patient data without hiring someone else to run their enterprise IT infrastructure?

No. But I would expect that the government (or a doctors professional organization on behalf) publishes a list of things he is allowed to use to work with patient data. Windows 10 shouldn't be on the list in my opinion.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by WillReplyfFood »

greenhouse_gas wrote: post #79
derefr wrote: post #61

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Have you used Windows 10 Server Core, or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB? There's no data collection in either of those, because they're for serious people. The Home and Pro editions, meanwhile, are effectively "Xbox OS for PCs." They turn your computer into an entertainment appliance run and maintained by Microsoft itself. Of course they collect data, just like there are data-collection agents on all the nodes of your av…

>Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB So tell me, where can I buy that for my personal computer? >because they're for serious people No, because those who can get Windows 10 LTSB actually have the power to push back. Imagine telling Dell or HP that everything they type may be sent to MS at any time. >You can still take control So how can I permanently end all telemetry, now and forever on my box. I'm even willing to sign a let…

Could i form a shell company with other windows buyers, whos only purpose is to give us the weight and leverage to permanently opt out of the windyOzz buisness model?

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by WillReplyfFood »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #258
magduf wrote: post #254

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>So how can I permanently end all telemetry, now and forever on my box. Simple: you use a different OS that doesn't spy on you. Microsoft is under no obligation to provide a product or service to you the way you want. They've decided they only want to offer products that spy on you, and that's their right. If you don't like that, you're free to not buy or use their products, and use something else instead. There are…

Telemetry is not spying.

Peace is war. Slavery is Liberty.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by hungerstrike »

Tom4hawk wrote: post #289
hungerstrike wrote: post #266

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Maybe you know this already but here's some friendly advice: You're not going to get anywhere defending Windows or Microsoft against the HN crowd. Most of them live in a bubble and it's just not cool to use Windows or Microsoft products...so even when you're right, which you are, the most you can hope for is that they'll ignore your comment instead of spouting off some ridiculous nonsense that they actually have no c…

I don't care if "Basic" setting sends harmless information. I don't want to send ANYTHING. It's my computer, I paid for it, I paid for this system and I want full control. Full disclosure: I don't use Windows, I don't use Apple products, I'm trying to avoid using any closed-source software.

I get it, I really do - if you can live on Linux alone that’s great.

Many other people here will complain about Microsoft ads on the start menu but turn around and forgive Apple who shows you ads every time you want to update your computer via the App Store. With Windows when I remove the ad (which is just a shortcut to a non-installed app) it’s gone forever or at least a long time.

Or, they will fault Microsoft for some slight lock-in with their Mail app that nobody is forced to use and completely forgive Apple for the immense level of lock in on iOS because “Apple has always only offered that” and Microsoft is not allowed to change.

However, I have to put up with basic telemetry which is slightly annoying but not a showstopper for me. I can also install the enterprise version of Windows which I think I can get via my MSDN subscription. Either way, it is annoying but I can live with it.

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Post by drexlspivey »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #283
drexlspivey wrote: post #279

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No, updates work fine. Some blocked domains : settings-win.data.microsoft.com, v10.vortex-win.data.microsoft.com, mobile.pipe.aria.microsoft.com, nexusrules.officeapps.live.com

Really making me want to setup PiHole now... any tips on what to block?

This is my /etc/pihole/adlists.list https://pastebin.com/ssqea2nW

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by freeone3000 »

atomicnumber1 wrote: post #214
freeone3000 wrote: post #133

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It's on a slower update ring and only gets security updates, not feature updates. Sounds fine to me.

Not if you're a developer. It has all other features stripped down. Even a photo viewer is absent. Linux subsystem is at beta level, no store (there are some good apps on the store), also no new windows features (fluent design, emoji?, gpu tracking in task manager, etc... you get the idea). Granted not everyone needs this.

"if you're a developer" might need qualification with "on win32 native products". Even then, you're targeting old windows, which is probably fine. Besides the GPU tracking in task manager, I'd say I'm better off without those features.

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Post by nkkollaw »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #265
nkkollaw wrote: post #182

I would switch to Windows in a heartbeat if they dropped NT and switched to becoming a Linux distro with a Windows emululator for legacy apps.

That would be a downgrade.

Really?

Even just the file locking would make it an upgrade, since it would allow you to avoid restaring your PC after upgrades like 30 years ago.

What makes Windows internals superior to Unix-based systems?

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Post by ddingus »

nkkollaw wrote: post #297
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #265

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That would be a downgrade.

Really? Even just the file locking would make it an upgrade, since it would allow you to avoid restaring your PC after upgrades like 30 years ago. What makes Windows internals superior to Unix-based systems?

Agreed.

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Post by atomicnumber1 »

freeone3000 wrote: post #296
atomicnumber1 wrote: post #214

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Not if you're a developer. It has all other features stripped down. Even a photo viewer is absent. Linux subsystem is at beta level, no store (there are some good apps on the store), also no new windows features (fluent design, emoji?, gpu tracking in task manager, etc... you get the idea). Granted not everyone needs this.

"if you're a developer" might need qualification with "on win32 native products". Even then, you're targeting old windows, which is probably fine. Besides the GPU tracking in task manager, I'd say I'm better off without those features.

Not necessarily. Linux subsystem is really a helpful feature for web developers indeed.

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Post by iceman2654 »

mattkevan wrote: post #209

Embrace, extend.. and extinguish!

This was my first thought based on the history and culture of the company. I'll be watching this development closely. The optimistic side of me hopes embracing Linux marks a real change in Microsoft, but we'll have to wait and see.
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