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New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by debaserab2 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #280
debaserab2 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t an immigration interview trump any other reaponsibility a person has? I’d explain to my boss the situation and see if I can get my day switched way before I’d expect any government agency to shuffle things around for my work schedule (especially any agency that’s immigration related).

I'm not sure why you'd think that the convenience of a government agency should outweigh any other concerns.

Because they are a government agency that’s notorious for having rigid rules and moving slowly. I’m not defending their behavior, but that is the way it is - it’s not exactly surprising or shocking that they weren’t willing to budge on that.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by rphlx »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #224
chrisper wrote: post #39

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Isn't it the same with Canada, though? I admit, I only watched those Border Patrol Shows on Netflix and what not, but it always disturbed me how much they always wanted to check the whole phone.

Essentially every country in the world asserts the right to carry out a thorough inspection of anything crossing its border. I'm not sure why people think electronics would be an exception to this general rule (which has been in effect, like, forever... the only exception that comes to mind is diplomatic pouches).

> I'm not sure why people think electronics would be an exception

I'll take a swing at this.. one reason is that modern electronics contain - both directly and through remote access to other systems via stored cookies, etc - far more private and/or commercially-sensitive information than almost any other widespread physical object that may cross a border. In the 1960s a (non-spy) traveler faced a search of some clothing, cash-on-hand, and perhaps some food/snacks and prescription drugs. Far different from facing a search of every photo you've ever taken, every private message you've written to your spouse, or the full IP of your successful software company, etc.

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Post by tehlike »

throwUsVisitor wrote: post #214
_jal wrote: post #156

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People need to push back. I know there's risk, but if you take this shit, they just keep pushing. I will be traveling with throwaway, obviously tailored devices with insulting passwords, lock-screens and documents and a huge pile of encrypted chaff. Let them document me as a troublemaker. Better, let them document hundreds of thousands of us as troublemakers. CBP and ICE have been drifting towards authoritarian-shith…

I'm happy to say that I do everything to make Border Control life miserable. I have big clients in US and while I generate for them big profits, I cannot accept payments due to my ethics. So I complained to legal divisions of my clients and asked to funnel money there. Every time I cross US border I refuse to show any data and insist on contact with my lawyers. And by my lawyers I always have big co legal divisions i…

Thank you. Seriously. You are the real hero.

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Post by nicolas_t »

saurik wrote: post #142
easytiger wrote: post #36

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> normal user The normal user browses the web and almost nothing else.

... but this laptop hasn't even been browsing the web, and so it will have no history and no cache and no saved passwords for websites and wifi hotspots ...

That's actually a good point. Might be a good idea for a software there: something that generates fake browsing history for the different browsers.

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Post by smcl »

singingboyo wrote: post #276
smcl wrote: post #271

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I’ve heard Canada was bad from a few different people, that’s so surprising! Czech Republic is an odd one, I’ve not had any problems personally and I’ve flown in and out of Brno and Prague a few times (though I prefer Vienna). Mind sharing what happened, purely to satisfy my curiosity? I had a weird issue when one customs guy was trying to tell me that I reported my passport missing a year prior, and he got extremely…

As a Canadian: what's bad about Canadian customs/border crossings? Can't say I've ever had a problem, but then I'm also a citizen, which may make things different.

I haven't been, so I can't say. From what I've read the tricky things are just the same as the USA - arbitrary stoppages for weird lengths of time (causing missed flights) by surprisingly rude or invasive people. Again it's just what I've read, but it stuck in my mind as unexpected because it flies in the face of the Canadian stereotypes.

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Post by manicdee »

throwUsVisitor wrote: post #214
_jal wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People need to push back. I know there's risk, but if you take this shit, they just keep pushing. I will be traveling with throwaway, obviously tailored devices with insulting passwords, lock-screens and documents and a huge pile of encrypted chaff. Let them document me as a troublemaker. Better, let them document hundreds of thousands of us as troublemakers. CBP and ICE have been drifting towards authoritarian-shith…

I'm happy to say that I do everything to make Border Control life miserable. I have big clients in US and while I generate for them big profits, I cannot accept payments due to my ethics. So I complained to legal divisions of my clients and asked to funnel money there. Every time I cross US border I refuse to show any data and insist on contact with my lawyers. And by my lawyers I always have big co legal divisions i…

Ah, so you are the reason I got an invasive cavity search.

Sure you are the big hero, but you upset the people with the power to make everyone else’s lives miserable.

Good to see that the rich still get things their way.

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Post by ataturk »

zerkten wrote: post #204
shubb wrote: post #98

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>> If authorities want to check my private and work data, they can ask nicely through a judge. I am confused,surely non-citizens have no rights or recourse to the law at an airport? In any case, I am concerned that your approach would be defeated if they took an image of your hard drive and threw some basic tools at it. They probably have this as a kit.

Non-citizens effectively have zero rights. Your rights increase as you go through different visa types and get to citizens. The appearance of actions like these can make you appear deceptive, or uncooperative at the very least. CBP can easily put you on a plane back after making things uncomfortable for a while.

Except when people show up by crossing the border illegally, then apparently, they have full legal rights above any US citizen, especially in California!

I mean, are you serious? They just show up in the Dakotas and apply for welfare and become voters. Why do you think Americans are so tired of this bullshit? You have no rights in an airport as a US citizen because it's some kind of special "international zone" but bypass the border any way you can and you're in good.

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