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How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

StavrosK wrote: post #240

Ah, that explains why I saw various catalán sites being pinned on the IPFS pinning service I run ( https://www.eternum.io ), which also runs a public writable gateway (so you can access IPFS files, including the banned catalán websites, through it). Having just gotten back from Barcelona, I have to say that the way the Spanish government is handling this is far from ideal. I don't very much support the Catalonian ple…

Do you mind technically explaining a bit more about pinning, how it works and why would anyone do it?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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jarofgreen wrote: post #217
euyyn wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason that isn't done in any election is because, to prevent people from voting twice, each voting station needs a list of the people that are supposed to vote there.

That's a fair point but doesn't explain why ID & DOB are needed. I asked about this in another comment - in my country, you just need your postcode to find your polling place 99% of the time.

It's needed because it depend on the census.

In Spain you don't have to register to vote every time. Just show up at the place you have to, based on the census.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by euyyn »

NetStrikeForce wrote: post #282
tcard wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't have an opinion on the Spanish government's or judicial system's concrete actions to stop a illegal law to take effect, but: the only websites, posters, etc. being seized are those paid for and organized by the Catalan government. Any association, political party, or individual is completely free to campaign for whatever they want, including independence. We have a Spain-wide constitution…

Not true at all. You are either misinformed or malicious. Private organisations websites like assemblea.cat have been banned. Lots of signs drawn, designed, printed by people have been seized by police. Including signs that only said "democracy". Private citizens have been arrested for mirroring the websites with their own resources. That's political prosecution, stop hiding behind the law. Please don't spread misinf…

> Private citizens have been arrested for mirroring the websites with their own resources.

I very much would like to see a source for this, and, if the order to arrest them was given by the TSJC judge, what the reasoning was and whether charges were brought.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by euyyn »

sigotirandolas wrote: post #200
tcard wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't have an opinion on the Spanish government's or judicial system's concrete actions to stop a illegal law to take effect, but: the only websites, posters, etc. being seized are those paid for and organized by the Catalan government. Any association, political party, or individual is completely free to campaign for whatever they want, including independence. We have a Spain-wide constitution…

They have also blocked many websites not directly associated to the government. Heck, even the OP mentions the Gateway.ipfs.io HTTP2IPFS gateway being blocked. There are other examples such as: Assemblea.cat (Assemblea nacional Catalana - Independentist association) cridaperlademocracia.cat (Website protesting for actions perceived as political repression) Empaperem.cat (Crowdsourced advertising campaign for the refe…

What do the court orders argue for blocking those three websites?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by euyyn »

NetStrikeForce wrote: post #284
tcard wrote: post #93

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I'm not even arguing the Catalan government actions aren't _justified_, as the American Revolution may have been. My point is that the Spanish judiciary's reaction is just that of a normal, European, liberal democratic state under rule of law. (It's my opinion that it's _not_ justified, though: there's a fair chance of getting through the necessary changes to allow a referendum and other self-government demands by fo…

No, it's not a reaction most liberal democracies in the EU would have. MPs all over Europe (Denmark, Switzerland, Finland to name a few) have asked the Spanish government to stop prosecuting and negotiate a referendum.

MPs in Spain have asked the same. Doesn't mean those other countries wouldn't have their judges apply the law.

Not only it is the judge's job: it's not even legal for a judge to knowingly allow an illegal action.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

euyyn wrote: post #293
NetStrikeForce wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. You are either misinformed or malicious. Private organisations websites like assemblea.cat have been banned. Lots of signs drawn, designed, printed by people have been seized by police. Including signs that only said "democracy". Private citizens have been arrested for mirroring the websites with their own resources. That's political prosecution, stop hiding behind the law. Please don't spread misinf…

> Private citizens have been arrested for mirroring the websites with their own resources. I very much would like to see a source for this, and, if the order to arrest them was given by the TSJC judge, what the reasoning was and whether charges were brought.

This guy was arrested in Valencia: https://github.com/GrenderG

Tried to find a Twitter thread from his lawyer, but no luck. Check this out: http://www.levante-emv.com/comunitat-valenciana/2017/09/22/p...

He was also taken to police premises, put on the phone with someone from Madrid and released.

Indicted for a crime here couldn't commit as he's not a civil servant. Also the judge authorised to get his online accounts and change the passwords (wtf). A terrible attack on civil liberties.

http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/valencia/20170927/43159282...

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

euyyn wrote: post #286
NetStrikeForce wrote: post #277

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They do agree though. Barcelona, Aran, whatever. You name it. Just start the political movement and it'll be respected. I think it's a fair ask.

It won't be respected by all, not even by all ERC politicians. Don't fall into the trap of thinking Catalonia is somehow free of hypocrites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnMA7KdGxn0

Ok.

By the way, can I get your crystal ball? There's this lottery thing...

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gerdesj »

KuiN wrote: post #133
enriquto wrote: post #50

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being a catalan expat with some expertise in computers, is there any useful way that i can help this weekend? (I am not afraid of losing anonymity nor being condemned or prosecuted by the spaniards, I actually would find it rather amusing.)

I'd be interested in any way to help out too. As part of the Scottish independence movement, our Catalonian counterparts are comrades & allies. Other than solidarity protests over here, I'd love to help in some way.

Its a funny old world mate (I'm English) and I despise seeing censorship like this. I will also see what I can find in my toy box to assist Catalunya in expressing themselves democratically.

(I would rather GB stayed in one piece but if push came to shove, I'd probably do the same here in similar circumstances - there is no excuse for this heavy handed nonsense)

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

euyyn wrote: post #283
NetStrikeForce wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how it works. You might want to read about it before having an opinion on a straw man. For the record: Spaniards living in Catalonia for at least 6 months can vote. Foreigners can't, like in General or Regional elections.

I was basing it on what the parent commenter said. I can't really tell if he's in the wrong or you are because, as you said, I haven't looked it up myself. Even with your version my fairness argument stands. How is it fair that a Catalan expat isn't allowed to vote, and an Andalusian that might be there just for a few months is? Expats are certainly allowed to vote in General elections.

I'm a Catalan expat and I voted already from where I am. There's a census of Spaniards living abroad. If you were there you could sign up to vote.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

euyyn wrote: post #269
NetStrikeForce wrote: post #264

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That's why Spanish Constitutional Court tore down articles of the Catalan Estatut (sort of regional constitution) that are accepted in exactly the same terms for others and are even covered in the Spanish Constitution. E.g. "Catalonia is a nation". The Spanish Constitution says "Catalonia is a nationality" while the Andalusian Estatuto says "Andalusia is a nation".

A 1min Google search gives: TÍTULO PRELIMINAR Artículo 1. Andalucía. 1. Andalucía, como nacionalidad histórica y en el ejercicio del derecho de autogobierno que reconoce la Constitución, se constituye en Comunidad Autónoma en el marco de la unidad de la nación española y conforme al artículo 2 de la Constitución. http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/html/especiales/NuevoGobierno... Unless that's not the most current estatu…

Not sure if you're native Spanish speaker or not, but nacionalidad is nación when talking about a group of people (simplifying as typing from mobile)

The count is of about 30 different articles. Here's a comment from El País (hardly pro-indy or pro-catalan) about it: https://elpais.com/diario/2007/07/05/espana/1183586424_85021...

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