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Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

blhack wrote: post #131
jedberg wrote: post #87

Reddit has had embeddable comment threads for over two years. It was a feature I actually worked on nine years ago, but the standards weren't there at the time to make it work with voting. I know I'm super biased, but I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing). Is it really just bad marketing it on Reddit's part that keeps…

You guys seriously did a good thing with nested and collapsable comments. Reddit's comment structure remains by far the best on the internet. You should definitely be proud of that.

I still really like Slashdot's comment moderation, with multiple characteristics, and the ability to quickly collapse all ajudged low-value comments with a slider.

The ability to promote certain users comments (and vice versa) is good too; but you have to use that carefully.

Would love to have that with the content and users here.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by foxhop »

Comment systems are tricky, everyone has an opinion on how they should work and how they should be moderated. Its very similar to forums and community building.

I was so opinionated about my comment system I decided to build my own called Remarkbox (https://www.remarkbox.com)

Its embed-able like discus but I want it to feel more like hacker news or reddit (deeply nested threads). My system is still a work in progress but I'm actively dog fooding it on my own websites and so far its working well.

One major take away I've learned from this thread is that people really like to use the collapse feature here on hacker news and reddit to narrow in on the conversations they care about. I actually never used this feature on either site (I didn't even know what that [-] was on hacker news until today)

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by reificator »

unescape wrote: post #175
jedberg wrote: post #87

Reddit has had embeddable comment threads for over two years. It was a feature I actually worked on nine years ago, but the standards weren't there at the time to make it work with voting. I know I'm super biased, but I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing). Is it really just bad marketing it on Reddit's part that keeps…

HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing Isn't comment collapsing in HN the same as downvoting? I find this confusing - or maybe I just don't have enough karma for the actual downvote button.

It'd better not be, I collapse good comments all the time when looking for something specific.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by baq »

Fifer82 wrote: post #268
baq wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you have no idea how wrong you are, to put it mildly. there are some absolutely fantastic subreddits with quality discussions and stronger moderation than the internet forum you're currently complaining on. check out r/askscience for one example.

The thing I can't stand (rage) is when you see something interesting, then have to trawl through dick jokes, and dank memes.... to find an actual real topic answer to a redditor's interesting question. It winds me up no end! This is how I knew I was getting old.

me too. turns out there are subreddits ran by old people, too :)

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by Ajedi32 »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #99
jedberg wrote: post #87

Reddit has had embeddable comment threads for over two years. It was a feature I actually worked on nine years ago, but the standards weren't there at the time to make it work with voting. I know I'm super biased, but I still find Reddit comments the easiest to read and follow (HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing). Is it really just bad marketing it on Reddit's part that keeps…

I think there are a few disadvantages Reddit has here. The first that comes to mind is that website administrators, especially for large and politically-charged sites, might like Reddit's software, but not its ... um, culture. "Just embed Reddit" sounds approximately like "just embed 4chan". While smaller sites are happy to give up some control for the sake of easily adding a major feature to their site, larger busin…

> might like Reddit's software, but not its ... um, culture

Which culture? Outside of the default subs, I'm not sure its really accurate to say that Reddit _has_ a singular culture, except perhaps in the same broad sense we might say that "the internet" has one.

Rather, each subreddit has its own unique culture, and there can be a _lot_ of variance between the cultures of different subreddits.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by abricot »

jhgb wrote: post #285
jedberg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that feels like a marketing fail. You don't have to accepts reddit's culture to embed it's comments. You can have a subreddit that you control where you can moderate it and remove any content you don't like. As a site owner, you can have full control over the content if you want.

> You can have a subreddit that you control where you can moderate it and remove any content you don't like. Or your very own installation of https://github.com/reddit/reddit ?

Reddit is no longer Open Source. As i understand it from the blog post[1] the actual code used to run reddit cannot be build from the original repository alone.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/6xfyfg/an_update...

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by jhgb »

abricot wrote: post #296
jhgb wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can have a subreddit that you control where you can moderate it and remove any content you don't like. Or your very own installation of https://github.com/reddit/reddit ?

Reddit is no longer Open Source. As i understand it from the blog post[1] the actual code used to run reddit cannot be build from the original repository alone. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/6xfyfg/an_update...

Heh. Time to clone it in Chez. Or Arc! :)

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by fortythirteen »

4lch3m1st wrote: post #39
thinbeige wrote: post #18

After reading this article over and over I am still clueless. What is this all about? Feature-wise it doesn't sound better than a comment system from HN, Reddit or StackExchange. Besides, Mozilla is really lacking communicational skills. This blog post feels like the documentation at MDN, tedious and unclear.

Well, It's pretty much a commenting platform like Disqus, but with user privacy in mind, which seems a little strange to me, since it was conceived with (stopping) trolls and harrassment in mind. Point is, isn't identifying such individuals a way to explore their online data? I might be jumping to conclusions, but it is one of those topics that stink more whenever you mess with it.

Right below the fold of the Talk site [0]

> We’ve created a streamlined system that can improve how people behave and interact in the comments space, and allow moderators to more easily identify and remove disruptive comments.

Seems like one of its primary functions is a censorship tool. "Disruptive" is a very subjective term.

[0] https://coralproject.net/products/talk.html

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by intopieces »

xienze wrote: post #88
intopieces wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Brendan Eich was not fired. After his appointment, there was backlash from the Mozilla Community. He came under pressure to resign and he did. The Mozilla Board that appointed him knew about his donation; they did not "remove him because of his views." If that alone was the issue, they simply wouldn't have given him the job in the first place. Resignation (after only 11 days in the CEO role) became the only viable p…

> Brendan Eich was not fired. ... He came under pressure to resign and he did. So in other words, he was told if he didn't resign he'd be fired. Let's not play games, he wasn't going to survive that episode. > The Mozilla Board that appointed him knew about his donation I seriously doubt that, unless checking a person's political donations is a standard course of action Mozilla takes -- which would open a major can o…

Eich had an oppertunity, in that moment, to speak of a change of heart. That change of heart regarding same sex marriage is one that millions underwent in a very short period of time. Instead, he said this:

“Eich also stressed that Firefox worked globally, including in countries like Indonesia with “different opinions”, and LGBT marriage was ‘not considered universal human rights yet, and maybe they will be, but that’s in the future, right now we’re in a world where we have to be global to have effect’.

It is most certainly standard to check the political donations, statements, and affiliations for the person you are promoting to CEO. This is not a mere promotion from SDE; this is the face of the company, and a company that specifically touts inclusion as a core tenant.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by creaghpatr »

icebraining wrote: post #290
philipps wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds different if you say "The average person works until April 24 to pay for things like schools, healthcare, rule of law, roads and trains, internet, etc...".

Which could still be true if taxes were levied at the state level, no?

depends which state you choose to live in, presumably
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