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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by MikeKusold »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #110
cpursley wrote: post #56

My only question is, which Slack alternative does not use half my CPUs and suck down my battery just to run ideally in the background?

It’s not slack but electron. We’ve been floating the idea of developing a native client for slack (we have experience in this field, having developed a Windows client for iMessage) but haven’t decided if it would be worth our while.

Across the board false. Slack is working to reduce the footprint. Listen to the Software Engineering Daily [0] podcast about it (performance conversation begins around 38:45)

[0] https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2017/08/11/typescript-a...

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Post by zo1 »

Kadin wrote: post #274
cortesoft wrote: post #263

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Wait, why is email unsearchable?

Mostly Microsoft Outlook. (But more seriously, even with a good MUA and either client-side or server-side search, the way mail messages are constructed, with tons of reply quoting, makes searching them a pain.) In lots of business cultures there's no expectation to search email, because it's so hard to get useful results that way, so if you send it in an email you can expect to have people just ask you to send it aga…

MS Outlook's search is pretty damn good, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's not perfect, and definitely not "google"-like in terms of guessing what you're actually trying to look for, but it gets the job done.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by adenner »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

and IRC

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Post by kuschku »

Karunamon wrote: post #272
kuschku wrote: post #254

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> * /whois and /away are poor replacements for user status tracking. That’s why IRC has away-notify, which does exactly what slack and co do for status tracking. > * DCC is a a poor replacement for video chat, screen sharing, or file sharing. That’s why people are working on an RFC for WebRTC negotiated via IRC. > * Always-connected clients are poor replacements for message history and push notifications. That’s why…

I notice a lot of "being worked on" in your reply, which really exemplifies the problem. Being worked on might have been okay a decade or two ago, but it's really too little, too late when there's stuff out right now that provides everything IRC does, but better. The mindshare is gone, the user goodwill is gone. A reference implementation of a WIP RFC is rather different from a thing you can download and install and…

> There's also the fact that most IRC clients suck, with interfaces that look and control like xterm circa 1980. Fine for the people that read Hacker News, offputting for everyone else.

This is konversation in 2017: https://blogs.kde.org/2017/09/05/konversation-2x-2018-new-us...

The version of Quasseldroid I am working on right now: http://i.imgur.com/obsJDyg.png

Textual, a macOS IRC client: https://www.codeux.com/textual/public/images/v600media/Yosem...

> A reference implementation of a WIP RFC is rather different from a thing you can download and install and have working right now in a server that isn't likely to change their implementation in a way that makes those features unusable (since they're headline features being sold to enterprises).

That’s why the IRCv3 Working Group isn’t some people in an ivory tower, but actually the implementers – the developers of the largest IRCd implementations, and of all major clients cooperate to design and ship new functionality. This means that basically every client and server has an implementation by the time it ships.

> SASL is nice, but unless you're into something like Okta or some other homegrown thing, most are going to use plain old LDAP/AD

The guys at CoreOS have a simple single-click deployed system for bridging LDAP/AD for that purpose. Alternatively, RedHat also has a solution for that, and provides enterprise support for their product (Keycloak), too.

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Post by Gibheer »

mgkimsal wrote: post #206
new299 wrote: post #174

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What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?

A wiki that allows referencing to a ticketing system - the way you can tie confluence docs to jira - is, imo, one of the unique tie-ins I've not seen replicated in any other system. Check list of items in confluence? Click and ... bam - tickets where you can track discussion, media, code, etc. Link back to the definition doc, and the doc has a status view of the ticket(s). I've wondered if they've got some patent on…

It does work in redmine[1] and that for years and the same as in github and Jira, using the #XXXX notation.

[1]: http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineTextForm...

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Post by compuguy »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

You forgot Rocket.Chat.

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Post by Arathorn »

briandear wrote: post #247
athenot wrote: post #169

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I like the decentralized aspect of Matrix. But when I go to the home page, I'm greeted with this copy: Matrix needs you! We are facing a funding crisis. UPDATE: The situation has changed and our need is more urgent even than before. This doesn't send a very positive signal to larger companies considering this platform.

And when their selling point is about "open communication" being a human right. A bit over the top. Then all this crypto currency nonsense. If I showed this page to a manager at a company, they'd immediately be turned off by that. Why not just drop a stripe checkout form onto the page with "Donate?"

1. The signal we're sending to big companies is that they may want to consider supporting us if they think Matrix is a good thing. So far it seems to be headed in the right direction.

2. We're offering donations by patreon, liberapay, IBAN(!), bitcoin & ethereum. I'm a bit confused as to why letting folks donate by bitcoin or ethereum would be a turn-off for a manager at a company. If you really think that adding Stripe to the mix would help things we can do that; we've just added paypal too.

Basically, it's a catch 22. We need to advertise that we need funding in order to get people to fund us. If that turns off some people rather than encourages them to donate, then such is life :/

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Post by Arathorn »

edgan wrote: post #104
vesak wrote: post #54

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> Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort.

I tried Matrix. For me it clearly lost on usability.

We're working on that :)

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Post by com2kid »

nerpderp83 wrote: post #262
erikb wrote: post #48

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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

Chat breaks the flow, flow is necessary for cohesive elegant solutions. If we develop under a state of distraction, we end up making bulldozer-code. Furthermore, chat is not high quality communication. It is mostly junk comms. If we wanted to encourage communication that moved the organization forward, we would have a structured medium that would automatically populate a knowledgebase. Chat is not that medium. Chat i…

> Chat breaks the flow,

Until I encounter a problem, switch into chat, and find that someone else already solved that problem and it was archived by the chat system.

Flow maintained.

My chat apps run on a separate monitor that is purposefully not within my visual range of the monitors used when I'm coding.

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Post by kuschku »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #266
kuschku wrote: post #250

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I’m writing on these things right now. They’re going to be in Quassel at least before the end of the year, on desktop and mobile. In developer builds they’ll already be in in a few weeks or a month. And almost all functionality already is there anyway, as said.

> And when it gets here, then IRCCloud and Quassel would be a good answer to my original comment. But now, those clients don't provide those features, while Slack does.

Then help implement it. There’s so many companies and communities that are paying millions for slack, but never paid a cent on developing for IRC.

The only company that ever funded anything for Quassel for example was Nokia. And that obviously ended ages ago, it’s all volunteers now.

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