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Re: Android Oreo

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Post by JetSpiegel »

euyyn wrote: post #194
eitally wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's not that the new emojis are all necessarily bad. My issue is confusion over what the recipient will see when I select one of the new emojis. I'm still not 100% clear on the emoji set mapping between OEMs/OSes. :-/

Isn't that one of the points of the new emojis, though? That unlike the previous ones, they're compatible with what other systems use.

If emoji are in Unicode, why can't I choose how to represent then? Isn't that the job of the font?

If you want total control over what the recipient sees, send an image.

It would be like if a webpage requested Helvetica and you are using Linux the text simply wouldn't render.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by underwater »

koolba wrote: post #204

Does Google pay these candy companies to use the name or do they pay Google? There's obviously some contractual relationship but I can't figure out who's on which end of it.

I've never understood why they'd want to associate the brand with cheap candy.

Ice Cream Sandwich used to evoke thoughts of sticky fingers and an over indulgence of sugar.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by chipperyman573 »

nfriedly wrote: post #211
fosco wrote: post #183

I have an HTC One M8 which I purchased in summer/fall of 2015. The phone works great but it makes me sad that I am still on Marshmellow and the phone is no longer supported. lately I have been been wishing there is a way I can just run some version of linux like debian/fedora on my phone and be able to run apt-get update and upgrade (or yum) as updates are released. IIRC it cost $600, and technically it does more tha…

I also have a One M8; mine is currently rooted and running CyanogenMod. (I keep meaning to update to LineageOS but haven't gotten around to it yet.) Rooting is nice, and I believe it's important from a philosophical standpoint, but I probably won't with my next phone because the features I want are getting built into the OS, and I am missing several apps that just refuse to work when they detect they're running on a…

The only reason I root my phone any more is for an adblocker. Which the iPhone conveniently has built in... It will probably be my next phone.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by nickjosephson »

ehsankia wrote: post #277
Asdfbla wrote: post #174

I know programming within the constraints of mobile devices isn't easy and I want to take nothing away from the release, but when you are still used to Desktop computing it's kind of funny to see how seemingly trivial nice to have features like picture-in-picture or notification dots get all hyped up in the press release.

Does desktop have good PIP? It obviously matters much less when you have multiple monitor, but I'd love to see OS level PIP support on desktop. Aka, have a video "always on top" in the corner that I can move around and resize while browsing the web, all on the same monitor. Some programs have "always on top" support but there's nothing OS level.

macOS has PiP

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by chipperyman573 »

ASinclair wrote: post #270
0x00000000 wrote: post #69

Android has really been annoying me lately. Maybe I didn't care before but now that I can't root my phone I am forced to deal with it. Still can't disable or customize to stupid "share" menu that puts you one click away from accidentally sending something to a stranger you contacted once on sms or facebook messenger or email. Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). There is zero reason why…

> Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). You can revoke individual permissions from apps. Settings > Apps & notifications > App permissions on Oreo. I think this has been in since Marshmallow (6.0). You can manage individual notification settings (including vibration) from Settings > Apps & notifications > Notifications. I'm not sure about accelerometer/gyro settings for apps. I feel a bit…

You can't revoke a lot of permissions (such as vibration) from apps, even in that settings menu.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by r00fus »

victorhooi wrote: post #176
putlake wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Apple supports iPhones for 4-5 years. Google has said they will only support their flagship Nexus and Pixel phones for no more than 2 years. For a $700 device this is unacceptable.

Apart from what Ironlink said below, there's also the fact that Google and Apple support mean different things. For Apple, updates often mean some subset of the full operating system updates, or a crippled version. Whereas Google updates tend to be all of nothing - meaning if your phone does get the update, it gets all of the features of that particular version. This seems to have changed somewhat with moving a lot o…

> For Apple, updates often mean some subset of the full operating system updates, or a crippled version.

A bit harsh, no? If new software requires hardware, why should that be considered "crippled"?

I find amazing that my 2013 iPhone5 can play games (Hearthstone) that some 2015/2016 Androids can't.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by bichiliad »

moneymakersucks wrote: post #184
rdsubhas wrote: post #141

Not saying that everything else is bad, but one thing that strikes me is how much they have run out of interesting things now that they had to use fillers[1] like: Tooltips Support for tooltips (small popup windows with descriptive text) for views and menu items. Normally, this would be relegated to a git changelog in the support library. But this is on the global marketing landing page. I like to imagine a fictional…

Honestly, I prefer this over the popular alternative of making UX changes for the sake of adding something new.

I'd probably give most places the benefit of the doubt — companies will rarely make UX or UI changes just because. There's usually a problem they are aiming to solve, and the solution they choose is some sort of interaction. Is it always the right answer? That's up to the users.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by plttn »

euyyn wrote: post #194
eitally wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's not that the new emojis are all necessarily bad. My issue is confusion over what the recipient will see when I select one of the new emojis. I'm still not 100% clear on the emoji set mapping between OEMs/OSes. :-/

Isn't that one of the points of the new emojis, though? That unlike the previous ones, they're compatible with what other systems use.

They were always technically speaking compatible (Nougat and iOS10 have Unicode parity iirc, now Oreo pushes ahead with new Unicode points).

However, the blobs didn't always socially have the same meaning as iOS emojis. The push to the more circular emojis was to normalize them against iOS emojis, which for better or worse are the primary target of emoji use.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by khc »

mjevans wrote: post #148
JorgeGT wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The catch is that you can buy an Apple phone everywhere, but for instance Google decided simply to not offer the Pixel in my country. Also, they stopped updating my Nexus 4 long time ago, something that Apple does not with their devices. Hence, I am not "succumbing to Google marketing" again. I have now updated to a Moto, which used to be a Google company. Let's see how long it takes to update...

Reflect for a moment; what was the 'new' price of the Nexus 4 vs the 'new' price of the iPhone at the time? A Nexus 4 was a 2012 phone with 2GB ram, and 8GB storage (entry model) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4 An iPhone 5 is the comparable year device. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_5 It had entry specs of only 1GB of RAM, but 16GB of storage. The apps would also be native binaries instead of 'java' apps…

not to diminish the rest of your argument, but my understanding is that java apps should be smaller than native apps (not significantly, since a huge part of apps' storage requirement is for assets, not code)

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by wila »

mixedCase wrote: post #146

Android has been improving so much in the performance department I think the phone that will replace my aging S3 will be... another S3 if I can find one. Seriously. Software has improved so much but the hardware nowadays is trash for my needs at least.

But really it is faster and smarter :)

First two words on the page after the "Introducing.." title say so.

Which makes me look cynical at everything else.

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