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Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by swivelmaster »

mwexler wrote: post #67

All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that…

I just used Paint3D for the first time last night and was astounded by how terrible it is.

Confirming to scale an image by manually entering a % value requires you to click outside of the value field BUT inside the scale dialog. That's right - there's no Apply or Confirm button, you just have to figure out to click there. Pressing Return or Enter doesn't do it either.

On the second open, there was a "rate this app in the app store if you like it" popup.

Microsoft's ineptitude at UX is mind-boggling.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by tomcam »

notadoc wrote: post #250
lps41 wrote: post #212

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I'm curious about this - why do you no longer listen to music or podcasts? The phone comes with headphones that plug directly into the lightning port, and an 1/8" adapter so you can still use your old headphones. Personally I just keep the adapter permanently attached to my 1/8" headphones. Only downside for me is the inability to charge at the same time, but then the iPhone 7's battery life is pretty great, so that'…

Do you remember to carry your dongle with you everywhere you go? Do you carry a spare dongle in your pocket?

My dongle is my business, pal

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by sjwright »

tritium wrote: post #267
mschaef wrote: post #233

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> That these features are considered "advanced" and thus buried is my argument. You're making the assumption that people, general users, even care about these features. What evidence do you have that this is the case? Everything I've seen indicates most people have other things that are much more important to them than open text-based file formats or hierarchical directory structures for locally storing files.

Okay a very simple way to add context to my claims, to prove that these are intrisic features of any operating environment that must function without network access, as a standalone system, is to look at how internet-based entities replicate similar bahaviors to enable web based collaboration. Proving my point is the existence of URL shorteners (as analagous to file names and paths on a local machine) and plain text…

Asserting that pixel editing is "fundamental aspect of an operating environment" is not just flimsy, it's highly subjective at best and entirely without substance.

Windows doesn't have a bash shell, an NFS client, a PDF annotation tool, or instant file previews; I'd consider these far more serious omissions.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by rconti »

thisiscool wrote: post #242
notadoc wrote: post #188

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> And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. Agree. I bought an iPhone 7 and now I never listen to music or podcasts with it, a very unexpected side effect of not having a headphone jack.

Why would you buy a phone without an earphone jack? Knock on wood that's something I'd never agree to do :-)

I completely forgot it was 'missing' one until I had the phone for a week or two.

Thankfully all my listening is in the car, over the speaker, via Sonos, via AirPlay or Spotify Connect, or on my Bose QC35 or Jaybirds X3 bluetooth headphones.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by bargl »

cabaalis wrote: post #12

This is silliness. I Win+R, mspaint at least 10 times a day. I paste in screenshots and quickly cut out just a portion of them. Or leave the screenshot there for later review. Why don't they just remove the file browser? Or how about mouse support?

Have you looked at greenshot? I love it.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by FRex »

Karunamon wrote: post #175
neilparikh wrote: post #155

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Doesn't Windows include both the old calculator and the new calculator? I'm on Windows 8 and I have both.

10 yanks away calc.exe and replaces it with the metro version. You have to grab an old copy if you want the original back.

cmd.exe and calc.exe from ReactOS can be used since ReactOS aims to be fully binary compatible. They look a bit bad though.

Or this is a good opportunity to use tools not built into the OS or write own replacements. It's a bit silly to have calc program dictated by the OS version.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by tritium »

sjwright wrote: post #287
tritium wrote: post #200

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Power users not being impeded is precisely my point, and you've made it for me. That these features are considered "advanced" and thus buried is my argument. These kinds of features are not surfaced readily (existing many interactions deep, and not single gesture or action operations) or they are completely absent from the bundled operating system distribution, despite comprising essential utilities.

Asserting that full access to the file system is 'buried' in MacOS is flat-out wrong, and borderline insulting. It's all there in the Go menu which is visible on screen. If MacOS doesn't ship with your obscure checklist of "essential utilities" then go cry in the corner quietly. Meanwhile Windows 10 doesn't even ship with a real bash shell, which I consider essential.

  flat-out wrong, and borderline insulting
NO U

Go buy a new mac and unbox it fresh, and try out the experience which speaks for itself. I'm not talking out my ass. You sound pretty mad. Watch your emotional tenor, lest you slip into personal attacks, or has that already happened?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by Clubber »

mwexler wrote: post #67

All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that…

I still use Paint to crop screen shots when I need to send them to people. Quick and gets it done, on any Windows computer.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by Spooky23 »

brak1 wrote: post #180
[deleted] wrote: post #165

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https://www.getpaint.net/license.html

I apologize, unfortunately it's too late to delete or modify my comment.

It was put on a list of free/open software that we can't use at work awhile back, apparently for another reason. I should have checked first.

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