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Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by wdanilo »

dkersten wrote: post #287
wdanilo wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not really making a programming language. So, err.. ok, we are. But it is "just" an engine. Luna is a data processing platform. It allows you to prototype, design and deploy data processing applications much faster than it is currently possible, while working in an elegant, interactive data visualization environment. Moreover, we are supported by many cool companies that want to use Luna for their purposes, in…

I really like this on multiple levels, because its something I've been thinking about for many years (and even took various stabs at implementing): I love the visual/textual dual language concept - I've been trying to figure out a good solution where both work well and no information is lost from one by editing the other (eg if I create something visually, but edit it textually, does the layout get ruined?) and, at a…

Thank you for such an awesome comment and your attitude! :) We've put an enormous amount of work to address the issues you've covered - including creating a system where you can edit text / graph without breaking the other one.

I'm happy that so many people were thinking to do something going this way - we hear it often. This shows us that this need is widely seen and there is nothing we want more than just collaborate with these people. We will be releasing Luna shortly as Open Source project and will be helping growing community around it. I will be supper happy helping utilizing / extending it for your needs!

As I described before, the timing for this info is not the best, because Luna is not yet available, but it will be really shortly.

Luna introduces some abstraction levels. Some of the leaves (the highest ones) could be usable by less-technical people, but of course only after they get familiar with the concept! :)

Thank you and looking forward to building something interesting together! :)

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by tome »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #188

im pretty you just got called out and are walking it back now. thats fine. there are lots of ways of handling typing in javascript. i could be reading more into you answers than is there, but your apparent proud ignorance is, i think, fairly deserving of a little bit of public shaming.

> there are lots of ways of handling typing in javascript

No, there are not.

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by wdanilo »

tzm wrote: post #263
wdanilo wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not really making a programming language. So, err.. ok, we are. But it is "just" an engine. Luna is a data processing platform. It allows you to prototype, design and deploy data processing applications much faster than it is currently possible, while working in an elegant, interactive data visualization environment. Moreover, we are supported by many cool companies that want to use Luna for their purposes, in…

Congrats on your round. I'd love to evaluate this for several data initiatives that I'm leading. Signing up.

Thank you! I'm looking forward for your feedback and creating something powerful on top of Luna! In case of any questions (after the release), we'd love to help!

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by wdanilo »

seanwilson wrote: post #81
wdanilo wrote: post #26

Hi guys! My name is Wojciech Danilo and I'm one of the founders of Luna. The timing for this news is a little unfortunate, because we are just before releasing Luna as an Open Source project! However, it's great time to answer some questions and give you a short update what has happened for the last couple months: 1. We've raised a seed round of $1M, so we can safely focus on product development and shortly on commun…

Can you elaborate more on the dependent type system? Is type checking decidable? What restrictions does it have to keep automatic type checking feasible?

We were thinking how to answer this question yesterday, but it is just too broad and I've literally cannot afford explaining all the caveats now. I will be supper happy to talk about it after the release on Luna forum, so if we could just move it there and discuss it in some short time, I would be thankful :)

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by wdanilo »

seanwilson wrote: post #81
wdanilo wrote: post #26

Hi guys! My name is Wojciech Danilo and I'm one of the founders of Luna. The timing for this news is a little unfortunate, because we are just before releasing Luna as an Open Source project! However, it's great time to answer some questions and give you a short update what has happened for the last couple months: 1. We've raised a seed round of $1M, so we can safely focus on product development and shortly on commun…

Can you elaborate more on the dependent type system? Is type checking decidable? What restrictions does it have to keep automatic type checking feasible?

We were thinking how to answer this question yesterday, but it is just too broad and I've literally cannot afford explaining all the caveats now. I will be supper happy to talk about it after the release on Luna forum, so if we could just move it there and discuss it in some short time, I would be thankful :)

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by hutzlibu »

wdanilo wrote: post #290
hutzlibu wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said, other languages can't really directly be transformed to graphical luna nodes, can you say why? Because I gave this some thought as well and don't see why not in general, but I don't know how luna works .. or if there are some restrictions I did not encounter yet ..

This is a really good question and to be well covered it needs a really deep answer. I will write a short draft here due to lack of the time, but will be happy to talk more about it after the release. Maybe a blog post would be suitable here, just an idea worth considering by our team :) If you are thinking about visual language you have to think about many constructions that collectively give you user experience, in…

Yes, thanks, I think you did, what you can ;)

I would like to try out the beta once you publish(soon?), to see more what you do and understand better (and see whether my ideas could be compatible, or not)

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by malberto »

amrrs wrote: post #144
wdanilo wrote: post #26

Hi guys! My name is Wojciech Danilo and I'm one of the founders of Luna. The timing for this news is a little unfortunate, because we are just before releasing Luna as an Open Source project! However, it's great time to answer some questions and give you a short update what has happened for the last couple months: 1. We've raised a seed round of $1M, so we can safely focus on product development and shortly on commun…

When you're talking about building a community, I'm wondering how are you going to convince Data Scientists who are pretty much used to R and Python and not any functional programming language, try Luna? Any plans for it? Like a free course on Udemy or any mooc to take this to masses?

No gil. Draw your own neural network, pipeline or graphical model in an idiomatic way. If you can display profiling data on top of the code visualization you can go faster toward optimizing the most time consuming parts of your code. For a data scientist all this is gold.

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by malberto »

amrrs wrote: post #144
wdanilo wrote: post #26

Hi guys! My name is Wojciech Danilo and I'm one of the founders of Luna. The timing for this news is a little unfortunate, because we are just before releasing Luna as an Open Source project! However, it's great time to answer some questions and give you a short update what has happened for the last couple months: 1. We've raised a seed round of $1M, so we can safely focus on product development and shortly on commun…

When you're talking about building a community, I'm wondering how are you going to convince Data Scientists who are pretty much used to R and Python and not any functional programming language, try Luna? Any plans for it? Like a free course on Udemy or any mooc to take this to masses?

No gil. Draw your own neural network, pipeline or graphical model in an idiomatic way. If you can display profiling data on top of the code visualization you can go faster toward optimizing the most time consuming parts of your code. For a data scientist all this is gold.

Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language

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Post by ajarmst »

Given the name, I would expect this to be related to or built on Lua. That doesn't appear to be the case. Is this echo accidental?

"Traditional software development is broken by design" is a pretty strong claim, but the only support is a bunch of over-broad anecdotal claims about what "always" happens. That's a bit offputting for some of us.

The phrase "Category Oriented Programming" is used like it's common vernacular, which I don't think it is. Is it related to Category Theory? The text seems to imply that the idea of mixing functional programming with message-sending objects is novel. It really isn't.

"Unmatched performance and safety". Yeah. You want to be careful about that claim. Going to need to see the independent evaluation results.

That said, for those who value diagrams highly, this looks interesting. I wonder at what level of complexity the abstractions start to leak.

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