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In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Why doesn't someone just buy up most of Detroit and create a massive campus with affordable Victorian homes everywhere.

No one wants to live in Detroit. Uber couldn't even convince its workforce to commute to Oakland; they backed out of a deal to move their office there a month ago.

Oakland is great except for the poverty and side-effects of poverty. An influx of capital and ownership drives away poverty and makes it a non-issue.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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I don't know much about SF salaries, but in NYC, 100K is really middle class. With enrage rent at 2k/mo, salaries have to be high in order to keep up with cost of living. Everyone makes a huge deal about the number but shouldn't it be more of a ratio? Like the cost of living to base salary? That should be a better statistic to judge quality of life.

Not too long ago, I built a tool that aggregates various information form the US Census, American Community Survey, and a few other sources. At one point, I decided that I wanted to track the cost of living of every place, so I started delving into American Community Survey data to find what I needed. I wound up picking three variables to display: median annual income, median monthly housing cost, and median housing…

Did you ever think about monetizing it? I'm sure with your tool and Zillows API, this would be very valuable for people looking at homes.

One application is looking for places that are up and coming with values below MR.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Why would a young professional person want to live anywhere where earning 100k + is not enough when they could live in quite a few other states and earn a 100k + enjoying a cost of living that is 1/3 of what it is in SF or NYC? My wife and I both make well into the 6 figures working at boring corporations enjoying a lifestyle where we would have to earn the equivalent of 7 figures in the Bay Area or NYC. There are a…

Probably because young people don't know about those positions or how to find them.

Yep, that's my situation. Been in the valley for a few years now since graduating. The work experience is good for now, but you quickly realize that affording a house here is mostly impossible unless you're on top of the bell curve or you have high combined incomes.

I want a garage, a driveway, a dog, the ability to really customize my living space, etc, but I don't think its going to happen here. I'd like to magically move somewhere else but its a somewhat intimidating process.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Did the exact same thing this year. Moved to Oviedo, FL from SF: 1) no state income tax, 2) public schools in my neighborhood are equivalent to a private school in sf [i] 4) weather is great 8 months out of year, 5) beaches you can swim in, 6) rent is ~1/4 of what it was in SF, 7) cuban food, 8) as a resident, kids have year round disney passes [i] http://school-ratings.com/Florida/schools/Carillon_Elementar... WARNI…

I also moved from the the Bay Area to Oviedo, FL not long ago (fun fact about our little town: Brian Acton, co-founder of WhatsApp, grew up here). I agree with everything on your list, and I'll add one more item: 9) Greater thought diversity and tolerance for opposing viewpoints. When I lived in the Bay Area it seemed that too many people I interacted with were of similar backgrounds: very educated, high income and s…

Totally agreed. Bay Area seems to be detached from the rest of the country sometimes and it's easy for people who live here to fall into echo chambers/cultural bubbles. I would not give out the company name, but I once visited this company and there is an "empathy corner" that displays low-end phones to remind employees that these still exist, probably because majority of the employees there are well-off and unlikely to own low-end devices. It struck me how detached from reality big tech companies could be and hence my decision to travel around other parts of the country/world to refresh my mind and get out of this bubble.

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I am not a minority race, but Utah is becoming quite diverse. My personal opinion is that it is a welcoming place and is a great place for families to raise their children.

Utah is a lovely place, but this stuck out to me > Utah is becoming quite diverse Was curious about this, as it didn't seem to fit my limited observation from my last few trips to Utah (which is again, a lovely place). The Census bureau government says Utah is >91% "white only": https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/49 Which is likely more diverse than Utah was in the past, but could not be fairly compare…

Federal numbers count hispanics as white. California was 42.3% non-hispanic white as of 2010, Utah was at 80% in 2013.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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I moved out of California 5 years ago and I think I won't consider back moving back at all. I enjoy my 1K/month 2 bedroom-2 bath apartment. 15 mins commute to work and a decent pay to manage my monthly expenses. I dont get paid in 6 figures, but close and I still leave a pretty decent life. I have a friend who works for vmware and gets paid in 6 figures, and still complains about how hard is to manage and do budgetin…

What city/area did you move to? That sounds like midwest level affordability.

Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Did the exact same thing this year. Moved to Oviedo, FL from SF: 1) no state income tax, 2) public schools in my neighborhood are equivalent to a private school in sf [i] 4) weather is great 8 months out of year, 5) beaches you can swim in, 6) rent is ~1/4 of what it was in SF, 7) cuban food, 8) as a resident, kids have year round disney passes [i] http://school-ratings.com/Florida/schools/Carillon_Elementar... WARNI…

I also moved from the the Bay Area to Oviedo, FL not long ago (fun fact about our little town: Brian Acton, co-founder of WhatsApp, grew up here). I agree with everything on your list, and I'll add one more item: 9) Greater thought diversity and tolerance for opposing viewpoints. When I lived in the Bay Area it seemed that too many people I interacted with were of similar backgrounds: very educated, high income and s…

With all due respect, I don't really buy that narrative.

People often mistake critical thinking skills with close-mindedness. Just because someone uses thought and reason to reject an idea doesn't mean they are close-minded. Not all ideas deserve acceptance. I'm as open-minded as it gets, but if you tell me that vaccines cause autism then you will go down several notches in my book. (Ironically, there are many anti-vax people in the Bay Area!)

I don't know about Oviedo specifically (maybe it's a liberal haven in the middle of a conservative sea, like Austin TX), but I've known several Floridans from the more conservative parts of the state, and they were either naive and gullible as hell, or actually close-minded. I don't say that to stereotype the entire state, but it's worth remembering that conservatism is about the preservation of the status quo, and by definition it's not nearly as accepting of new (and valid) ideas and perspectives as liberalism is. That's not meant to be a value judgment, but rather a descriptive statement.

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Actually at a previous job (at the front page of HN today for CEO severance) I started developing sympathy for politicians who say things like that. I saw how out of touch upper management was with what was actually going on, and in something like government it's at a much higher order of magnitude. Doesn't excuse them, but I can understand how they say such things.

Saying that a £70,000 salary makes you rich sounds like sensible politics to me. In the UK the median pre-tax income is £22,400 with £72,000 putting you in the 95th percentile [1]; £70,000 is in the middle of the pay scale for a salaried GP/family doctor [2]; and MPs receive a base salary of £74,000 [3] (plus a bunch of extra income through a variety of opaque means) I think you would look pretty out of touch, from t…

While I agree with your point, that 22400 number talks about household income not median income of an individual.

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I'm a Texan looking to move out of state because I'm transgender and our legislature wants to make it impossible for people like me to exist. Since that's the only reason I'm wanting to move, I'm looking for the most Texas-like place I can find. Unfortunately, the closest I can come is Southern California. I dragged my heels like crazy on admitting that SoCal was the only place that has most of what I wanted because…

must be in the Sun Belt I'd try to sell you on Minnesota except for this :-) Well, we do get tons of sun (similar solar insolation numbers to Houston, TX), but it can be bright and sunny and still -25F

I had a friend who did try to sell me on Minneapolis. What put me off ultimately was finding out that central AC is difficult to find outside of the Sun Belt.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Can I ask you about one thing, though? Both my kids are in SFUSD schools, and San Francisco actually has a large number of 10/10 rated schools. This is based on test scores, of course, so it doesn't tell the whole story. For instance, take a look at this: http://www.greatschools.org/california/san-francisco/schools... Do you think that your elementary school in Colorado are vastly better than the top three we see her…

>> San Francisco actually has a large number of 10/10 rated schools. Is that on a national or state scale? I find my district in Michigan making all kinds of claims like that about many of our schools, but it's all compared to others in the state. Nationally we're still above average but nothing to get excited about.

I think it's a California state test. So you could compare to a top school in a wealthy California suburb, but not to a school outside the state. I think.

Another thing is range. 10/10 is nice, but as you can see, a bunch of SF schools got it. Kind of how the Math GRE (used to?) top out at about 95%ile (ie., 5% of the people taking the test got an 800/800).

So this leaves open the possibility that even the best elementary schools are far behind the other 10/10s in other parts of the state. Kind of doubt it, since Lowell is clearly extremely competitive with top public and private high schools around the country. But I can't make the comparison directly at the elementary school level.

That's why I kind of put it as a question... what's your guess? Are the 10/10 elementary schools in SF notably worse than top elementary schools in Colorado? Like I said, I seriously doubt it, but I can't be sure.

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