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IMO Firefox has just 2 things to beat Chrome: better add-ons (like treestyle tabs) and politics (made by Mozilla instead of an ads company). They are burning the first one.
We need "Safari" for Windows, but not edge.
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> it is impossible to recommend Firefox in any case, because it performs so poorly compared to Chrome ... See that's some odd misinformation that's been spread around since Chrome first was released, it was the fastest browser at the time. Well since then, Chrome and Firefox have been going back and forth on which is the fastest. At this moment Firefox is a good margin faster than Chrome since their Electrolysis upda…
"Well since then, Chrome and Firefox have been going back and forth on which is the fastest. At this moment Firefox is a good margin faster than Chrome since their Electrolysis update." In benchmarks, yes. But in the real world, with many different tabs open, where one badly designed website could screw up your whole surfing experience, not so much. Even thoug it is possible that they fied that behavior by now. I don…
Firefox, Chromium, Chrome, Safari and Opera on OSX
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A sidebar API and tab modification API will be implemented specifically to allow TST to work. The addon will have to be rewritten completely on a very short timescale, though.
So, can I use that to add Tab Thumbnails to Firefox? Can I use it to port AutoHiDPI, which changes the scale of the UI depending on which screen the window is on? Can I use this to replace the entire browser history system and omnibar autocomplete with a custom one? Can I use this to replace the entire browser chrome? Some of these changes I need (AutoHiDPI) to use a browser at all. Others I wish for. All of them I c…
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Exactly. Now they killed Firebug. And their newer DevTool has a Firebug skin - just a skin. Very bad devision. So now I reverted back to an older Firebug version, which is actually the true Firebug addon. This means I will now have a zoo of old outdated browsers. Safari 5.1 Win32, Firefox 56 Win32 with Firebug addon, IE11 on Win7 (plus Chrome, Vivaldi and Servo alpha) I have hope in a lightweight reboot of Firefox ba…
The question "Why would you use Firebug considering both Firefox Dev Tools and Chome Dev Tools have more features and don't cause the entire browser to horribly lag?" remains.
(I use a separate Firefox instance for development, and it's not my number one browser for years because it can't handle hundreds of open tabs - IE and Chrome excel on that (my) requirement for 10 years.)
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A sidebar API and tab modification API will be implemented specifically to allow TST to work. The addon will have to be rewritten completely on a very short timescale, though.
So, can I use that to add Tab Thumbnails to Firefox? Can I use it to port AutoHiDPI, which changes the scale of the UI depending on which screen the window is on? Can I use this to replace the entire browser history system and omnibar autocomplete with a custom one? Can I use this to replace the entire browser chrome? Some of these changes I need (AutoHiDPI) to use a browser at all. Others I wish for. All of them I c…
Generally, the way forward will be to use WebExtension Experiments (https://webextensions-experiments.readthedocs.io/en/latest/i...), which let you run classic-style "bootstrapped" add-ons in Firefox Developer Edition or Nightly. The intended use is for prototyping new WebExtension APIs for eventual inclusion into mainline Firefox, but nothing limits you to that usage.
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> I want the addons to have full control over my browser I can assure you that you only want this if you can guarantee that your add-ons only do what they claim, don't have security vulnerabilities, and are never acquired and maliciously updated. Otherwise, a permissionless add-on model means a bug in TreeStyleTabs could potentially be used to exfiltrate your entire password database, plant malicious binaries on your…
> Firefox will not have this limitation Is that a statement about future Firefox visions or Firefox 57? I assume you know the gritty details while I'm a rather confused Firefox power user / fan / advocate (using .. addons that are affected, vertical tabs/tree style tabs plus vimperator/pentadactyl mostly). The outrage The Internet™ seems to feel is probably not about XUL being deprecated/killed. I'd say no user cares…
Most of these changes and their timelines are motivated by fundamental architectural work happening deep down in Firefox. We're doing the best we can to get as many add-on APIs in place before 57, but for heavy add-on users, it has the potential to be a rough transition.
For deeper meddling in the browser, and for APIs that don't yet exist, WebExtension Experiments (https://webextensions-experiments.readthedocs.io/en/latest/i...) should provide a reasonable option. Basically, you can keep using old-style "bootstrapped" add-ons in DevEdition and Nightly. Kind of an explicit way to opt-out of API stability guarantess so we can continue refactoring the browser core. Experiments are intended for prototyping new WebExtension APIs for eventual inclusion into mainline Firefox, but you could also use them for power-user APIs, so long as you don't mind the maintenance burden.
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It's the most secure browser available. That's a not a 'might be legitimate' use case.
> It's the most secure browser available. That's a not a 'might be legitimate' use case. It may be Jesus on a popsicle, but I'm not going to trust something distributed via drive-by-installers, marketed through SPAM and made by the world's biggest data-hoarder and privacy-invader no matter what. It's adware/malware short and simple. Make it 100% FOSS. Remove any technical connection to Google. Don't require Google-lo…
Personally, I'd at definitely consider using Jesus on a popsicle, if the opportunity arose, just to see what it's like. Not that it has so far, sadly.
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> design decisions which may have made sense over a decade ago when Mozilla had 'software suite' ambitions It doesn't change your overall point, but I think this part is incorrect. AFAIK abandoning those ambitions was the reason they left Seamonkey behind and developed Firefox.
Firefox started well before Seamonkey was spun out, and they continued with Thunderbird anyway. But the details of the history of the ambitions don't matter, what matters is that these architectural decisions were made a long, long time ago but their consequences are still there. You can decide you're not going make an app suite, that doesn't magically re-architect the internals of the product you have. Take a look a…
I'm not sure how that applies. Firefox wasn't magic; Mozilla rewrote their browser intentionally and put a lot of resources into it.
> Firefox started well before Seamonkey was spun out
My understanding of that statement is that they didn't drop the old product until the new one was succeeding in the marketplace. I'm not sure how that impacts what I said.
An hypothesis about much of the criticism for this change, and similar movements of outrage on the Internet. It's amateur social theory and goodness knows we don't need more of that, but I haven't seen it said like this: People naturally feel anger in their lives (about home, work, politics, health, etc.) that is not socially acceptable to act on; to varying degrees, they need an outlet. It's not a new phenomenon; so…
Well, you may be right about the outrage. I don't have any outrage, and I want to see competition in the browser space, and I actually use firefox. I am, however, as a "power-user", mostly annoyed by the direction Firefox has gone in. It often feels like they're apeing Chrome, especially since Australis took a very similar feel to the Chrome UI. If I wanted to use Chrome, it's over there. No outrage, and for all I kn…
My impression is that's not an accurate characterization; do anyone know of a serious analysis that supports it? As I said in the GP, there's not much concern with the facts and merits; people (maybe not the parent) just want to act out.
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"Well since then, Chrome and Firefox have been going back and forth on which is the fastest. At this moment Firefox is a good margin faster than Chrome since their Electrolysis update." In benchmarks, yes. But in the real world, with many different tabs open, where one badly designed website could screw up your whole surfing experience, not so much. Even thoug it is possible that they fied that behavior by now. I don…
I ran your box benchmark at 1000 boxes and all browsers were able to sustain 60fps quite easily on my system. Firefox, Chromium, Chrome, Safari and Opera on OSX
On MY system chrome is still quite ahead of FF. And that was the point, not that you have a good pc ...
(oh and the benchmark is not from me, but actually from the FF dev team itself, as part of emscripten ... and they used to be quite faster than all the others, but apparently not anymore. At least not at the moment ...)