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Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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The Wall St. Journal is the single highest quality news source I'm aware of.

The economist is the only other news source that I know of that is on par.

I've heard that it's reporters are actually quite young and inexperienced, but the editorial anonymity masks that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist#Editorial_anonym...:

Is there any truth to that?

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Tangent: I'm not sure I can think of recent money I've spent better than a year-long Washington Post subscription. Not because I want to support journalism (though I do), but because having a whole newspaper to flip through every day is so much more productive and efficient than getting dribs and drabs through Twitter and free news sites --- many of which are ultimately sourcing through the journalism that organizati…

Ironically, I've mostly abandoned big-name news sites to listen more to people like tptacek. What I see in the papers is mostly people pushing a story, usually with seemingly little technical expertise, and without the important context, or worse still selective context to support their arguments. The comments on e.g. HN probably have about the same 'median' quality (OK, lower) but if the topic is relevant to the site's interests, the highest quality post will greatly exceed anything you will find in a paper. If it's a contentious point, someone will oppose it. I remember a thread on the Fukushima disaster (sadly I can't find it) containing a detailed discussion of the situation between a few people who had designed / worked on nuclear plants, and its depth and balance made the journalists look like a bunch of children shouting for attention. If there was an issue concerning security, I know I'd want to know what tptacek had to say about it; conversely, I happen to know a couple of WSJ journalists and frankly I'd take anything they say with a bucket of salt, apart perhaps from wine recommendations.

StratFor (for example) seems maybe worth it but I feel like the generalist reach and short form style of big news stops it from ever truly educating. I guess what I'm trying to say here is OK, the experience might be more pleasant, but what makes you think WaPo / Guardian / NYT content is even comparably as good as a blogger dedicated to the topic? (honest question to anyone)

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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You are aware that you probably consume other valuable goods and services from companies whose CEOs are just as deplorable, but not as well publicized, right? If you think a product is valuable, but you don't want to pay for it because you don't like the person selling it that makes you a retributive thief. You don't even have ideology to hide behind, you just don't like someone.

Being a thief requires theft. The GP didn't discuss stealing.

Violating copyright is theft:

http://www.copyhype.com/2013/09/why-copyright-infringement-i...

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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To lower the barrier even further, if you're an Amazon Prime subscriber and subscribe via Amazon, the first 6 months are free and then the cost is $4/month thereafter.

Maybe this doesn't count as supporting, but: you also get free access with a .edu, .gov, or .mil email address.

really? I cant find that option. How does one sign up?

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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> but it gives me great hope that quality news organizations have a future I hope that high quality news organizations do have a future, but the WaPo? I'm not sure that label fits.

Why do you say that? Their political coverage and some of their deep-dive investigative pieces have been top drawer IMO.

How about these two pieces published within about a week of each other?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/23/...

You'll note that the two stories are directly contradictory. The claim made by the WaPo is stronger than Senator Sanders' and yet Senator Sanders received 4 Pinocchios for the claim.

I also like FAIR's analysis of the WaPo's opinion leanings (though it leaks over to supposed factual reporting too): http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories...

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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This is the equivalent of reading a magazine in the bookstore and not buying it. It would be different if you walked out the store without paying.

I don't they're the same at all. In your example if you walk out of the store with the magazine the store has to cover the cost of the magazine. If you stay in the store and read it then the content provider didn't get paid for someone consuming their content however the magazine is still there. The store could still sell it. The l.php script basically allows someone to read the magazine without paying for it. The on…

> The only entity that loses something in that situation is the content provider.

What do they lose?

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post #231

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> but it gives me great hope that quality news organizations have a future I hope that high quality news organizations do have a future, but the WaPo? I'm not sure that label fits.

Why do you say that? Their political coverage and some of their deep-dive investigative pieces have been top drawer IMO.

Lying about fake news:

https://sputniknews.com/us/201612081048298376-washington-pos...

It's lies like that that legitimize Trump in the eyes of his followers.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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The Wall St. Journal is the single highest quality news source I'm aware of.

They dropped in quality sharply when Murdoch acquired them, and fired a big chunk of the team. Then they started focusing on offensive conservative propaganda on their editorial page. At that point I stopped reading or paying attention to them. Frankly, I welcome the news about the paywall since it will mean I see fewer links to their "journalism". Has something changed in the last few years? Did they somehow turn th…

Their opinion pages have always been filled with grade A crazies and that does actually seem to have gotten worse, but their reporting is still good.

This was one I read recently that actually made a good job of covering the real story in detail: http://blogs.wsj.com/indonesiarealtime/2013/08/26/the-strike...

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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I see in the comments there are still some workarounds to this paywall. Good to know. Cheers. Just a reminder another workaround to the paywall is to you know actually subscribe to the newspaper. That is an option they offer. Obviously not possible for everyone. But if you have the money and want to read and support journalism... WSJ is really far from perfect but it's not the worst newspaper one could be subscribed…

I don't think it's smart to pay to read stuff from a group that also gets money from advertisers. You're either the product or the customer, when in doubt you'll be the product. Real subscription journalism doesn't do advertising.

What 'real subscription journalism' big-name newspapers that don't do advertising can you name? I am honestly struggling to think of any.
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