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Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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How's the keyboard and the TrackPoint?

"just works". Touch surface is smooth, clicks require slightly more force then an old rMBP I had. Only real concern is that it might be too sensitive and clicks while my finger is hovering. This might be configurable, but haven't cared enough to try. As for keyboard, feels great to me, but I'm not that picky.

That sounds like a trackpad.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Say what you will, but Apple does make the best PC hardware. I used to run Linux (Mint) off of the 2013 MacBook Air. Now running Ubuntu on 2014 13" MBP. If you want a great Linux laptop, go to Ebay and get a used 13" or 15" inch MBP or Air and put a Linux on it. About everything will be better than with plasticy alternatives with inferior trackpads and mouse buttons.

Some sort of matrix of what Apple HW will work with Linux is found from here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple (but do your own research too)

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Say what you will, but Apple does make the best PC hardware. I used to run Linux (Mint) off of the 2013 MacBook Air. Now running Ubuntu on 2014 13" MBP. If you want a great Linux laptop, go to Ebay and get a used 13" or 15" inch MBP or Air and put a Linux on it. About everything will be better than with plasticy alternatives with inferior trackpads and mouse buttons. Some sort of matrix of what Apple HW will work wit…

> Say what you will, but Apple does make the best PC hardware.

Maybe a 4+ years ago, but this is less true today.

You must not have used recent Thinkpads or prosumer/business Dell laptops. It would probably blow your mind to learn they some even have the same touchpad hardware controllers. Sure, OS X has better software touchpad support, but the hardware is often identical.

Furthermore, the serviceability of RAM, SSD and battery on an Apple is typically non-existent while trivial on things like the Dell Precision line. And from my experience, most people who run Linux tend to tinker with things as opposed to buy a blackbox and never open it.

> Some sort of matrix of what Apple HW will work with Linux is found from here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple (but do your own research too)

That is handy, thanks for sharing! I wrestled with Linux on a 2012 rMBP before when HiDPI support was rough, and this would have saved me some time. :)

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Ran Macs for the last decade.

Started experimenting with an x230 + FreeBSD -HEAD (i3wm) about a year ago. It took a while to get setup, but everything works, including resume.

Just started using Ubuntu 16.04 on a X1 Carbon 4th gen. Pretty flawless install, except it won't correctly boot an encrypted LVM.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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As an ex-linux user and current mac user, I'm still frustrated by linux laptop hardware support. Ethernet ports that need to be re-plugged, suspend-to-disk not working... lots of glitches things that were already annoying 6-7 years ago but now are hard to justify compared with the polish you can expect from other systems. I could never go back from my macbook because I need everything to just work - no glitchy touchp…

Agreed. I pay extra $$ for system 76 machines for just this reason. Things just work.

I haven't found a model from system 76 that has a display more than 1080x1920, but I really want to support them.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Lenovo are on my personal shitlist after superfish and abusing the windows platform binary table. When my current laptop dies (a thinkpad T440p that I'm reasonably happy with), I may have to suck up the performance hit and go to minifree for a machine I can actually trust.

They seem to have signed up for the MS Signature program, so you might now get pure Win10 without bloat.

I have a signature ThinkPad bought at a Microsoft store and it came with plenty of software that I would consider bloat. Lenovo ships a lot of extra software on their systems. I'd still recommend a reformat and reinstall of Windows.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use whole drive encryption to protect data in the event I leave my old X220 (Fedora) on the bus. I don't mind boot times in the 20s range (X220/Fedora/cheapo SSD) too much, but I do need to close down/reboot a couple of times a day otherwise no point in encryption.

> but I do need to close down/reboot a couple of times a day otherwise no point in encryption. Given, I'm not a Linux user, but I don't understand this at all. On Windows, encrypted is encrypted-- the lock screen is exactly as secure as the login screen. Are you saying that in Linux the lock screen is easily-bypassed? So you have to keep your computer logged-out when you're in a place it might get stolen?

> On Windows, encrypted is encrypted

Wasn't there a recent story about how Windows is storing keys so that it can wake up in the middle of the night and apply updates? I thought that the conclusion was that locked isn't as secure as logged out.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Say what you will, but Apple does make the best PC hardware. I used to run Linux (Mint) off of the 2013 MacBook Air. Now running Ubuntu on 2014 13" MBP. If you want a great Linux laptop, go to Ebay and get a used 13" or 15" inch MBP or Air and put a Linux on it. About everything will be better than with plasticy alternatives with inferior trackpads and mouse buttons. Some sort of matrix of what Apple HW will work wit…

> Say what you will, but Apple does make the best PC hardware. Maybe a 4+ years ago, but this is less true today. You must not have used recent Thinkpads or prosumer/business Dell laptops. It would probably blow your mind to learn they some even have the same touchpad hardware controllers. Sure, OS X has better software touchpad support, but the hardware is often identical. Furthermore, the serviceability of RAM, SSD…

I think Apple still does a better job with the chassis. My ThinkPad is all plastic and flexes a lot. My MacBook seems much sturdier.
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