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Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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My solution was to give the iPad to my kid and get an Android.

Not sure if this was intended but this comment is actually kind of funny considering Android's lack of updates is a frequent point of criticism. Update notifications are probably the one thing you don't have to worry about with Android. On a more serious note, in my opinion updates are an exemption and the user should be urged to do them.

I just got an update yesterday. (OnePlus 3)

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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I agree and that goal sounds similar to the goal of Kill Analytics [1]. "The industry" doesn't even exist as an entity. Gov regulation seems like the only viable way to fix it. But on the other hand, Google AdSense has done a lot to improve advertising online. Popups and bad ads used to be waaay worse than they are now (not that they are okay now). So maybe we do just need a few big players to step up and change thin…

Does anyone know how this is different from/compares to Privacy Badger[1]? It is also a chrome[2] and firefox extension[3]. [1]: https://www.eff.org/privacybadger [2]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/privacy-badger/pke... [3]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-badge...

Privacy Badger is more on the defensive side: It allows you to avoid tracking, so you just disappear from the POV of the analytics platform.

Kill Analytics looks more offensive. It actively sends garbage data to the analytics platform, thus destroying its value proposition to the site operator and discouraging its continued use.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Going forward, you can append "+whatever" to the username portion of your email address, e.g. You+spam@gmail.com, and gmail and most other providers I've used will ignore that part. Use it to trace the sharing of that address. I used that when signing up for a particular mailing list and found that my address was shared with about a dozen other marketers.

People have learned that you can simply strip that part out of the address... it's in the standard. If you want to know where your data leaked out, you should use a different email every time (e.g. use your own domains).

> People have learned that you can simply strip that part out of the address... it's in the standard.

I'll take "Common RFC 821/2321/5321 myths" for $300, please.

RFC 5322 and RFC 5321 are very emphatic that the local part has no semantics whatsoever except those given to it by the MTA. There is no semantics for what "+" means in the standards.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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In general, I'm disappointed how Amazon went from being a store to a "marketplace". Sometimes I want to buy somebody who'll actually curate their list of products and has a reputation to stand behind that they don't want to sully by selling garbage or price-gouging on items they don't normally stock. But maybe that's just me.

I buy a lot of used, old, obscure things (mostly books). Very often, Amazon is the only place I can find it reliably; my other options would probably be asking my Japanese/German/etc friends to dig through second hand shops and mail it to me. I love the Amazon marketplace. (I also hate the 3rd party seller feedback emails but I have strict email filters so who cares)

If you are interested in books from the German-speaking region you should also take a look at zvab.com (now owned by Amazon) which is the largest marketplace for professional used book sellers.

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Never click a spammer's "unsubscribe" links -- that just tells them they have a valid account. If you use a big email provider like gmail, flag them as spam. Otherwise, make a rule in your mail client to automatically file anything from their domain to the trash.

I don't think spammers care about the difference between an email they have and an email they have that clicked a link. They're going to spam both anyway.

I'm pretty sure they do care. They're renting out a bot-net at some $/message, and only make money when someone actually clicks through to buy their "p3n1s pills," so knowing that a real clicking human is associated with an address matters quite a bit.

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LinkedIn is one of the most common examples when talking about dark patterns, their most famous being the number of ways they tried to get you to invite your gmail contacts.

Just reinstalled Skype and can see that they're trying to get access to my contacts also. They tell you to set up access so you can use the app. First up is microphone, and you click allow. Second is camera, and you click allow. Third is contacts, and you click—wait a minute, why do you need this? Disallow. Don't know what they would do if they got my contacts (hopefully not spam them like LinkedIn), and don't intend…

Well considering that Skype is mainly a way to, you know, contact people it doesn't seem actually insane to consider it.

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Even worse; let's break backwards compatibility with your paid software so that you have to purchase an upgrade license... If you've had a Mac long enough and you run paid software you know what I'm talking about. :(

Considering the wide availability of beta OS updates, I'd say that's on the developers of said software. Sure, as someone who works in audio and has to deal with a range of software instruments/effects and audio interface drivers, I know exactly what you're talking about and I have little understanding for developers expensive software/hardware that don't test and fix their products before OS releases.

Considering the wide availability of beta OS updates, I'd say that's on the developers of said software.

Why? If the developers produced a product that works and sold it to a user at a fair price, why on earth should those developers then have some sort of indefinite responsibility for producing updates because other people chose to break compatibility?

There is a reason we have standards and there is a reason it's important for system software in particular to define and support standard interfaces. In fact, that is arguably the primary function of an operating system: to provide a stable platform on which other software can run.

The fact that some of the main OS providers no longer seem to recognise this and instead consider instability and backward-incompatibility to be strategic assets makes me genuinely afraid for the near future of our industry. If I want to do something as simple as buying a laptop for one of my small businesses tomorrow, so someone can get on with useful work and will be able to continue doing so for a long time, there are currently no good options available.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Does it count if there's no user interface? Amazon has my email address, I've been a customer since the late-nineties. They keep inventing new email lists and signing me up for them. Each time I get a new "newsletter" it says something like, "You got this message because you're subscribed to the 'Tablet News' newsletter." I click the unsubscribe link to remove myself from it. Along with the unsubscribe link there's a…

I've noticed LinkedIn doing the same thing. How many times do I need to visit their site and unsubscribe from every list before they get the picture?

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Just reinstalled Skype and can see that they're trying to get access to my contacts also. They tell you to set up access so you can use the app. First up is microphone, and you click allow. Second is camera, and you click allow. Third is contacts, and you click—wait a minute, why do you need this? Disallow. Don't know what they would do if they got my contacts (hopefully not spam them like LinkedIn), and don't intend…

Well considering that Skype is mainly a way to, you know, contact people it doesn't seem actually insane to consider it.

Skype should be a little more private than your cell phone number is. If I add someone's phone number to my contacts list, that DOES NOT mean I want them automatically added as my Skype contact.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Is the use of a tech shift or form factor change as an opportunity to redefine the product so as to reduce customer freedom or introduce surveillance a dark pattern?

I've thought of this with the mobile revolution. You could never have introduced total device lock down and ubiquitous telemetry so easily in the PC era. There would have been an outcry. But change the form factor...

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