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Not sure about the stability. I am using Ubuntu for over a year and it's way less stable than Windows was. Sometimes I encounter crashes when suspending or waking up. I also encounter lots of minor problems. For me the Windows experience was definitely more polished. Is Elementary OS significantly different?

Likely the big reason there is that hardware manufacturers test for Windows and write drivers for Windows. Damn it, there is at least one documented case of a motherboard giving a junk ACPI return if the OS identified itself as anything other than Windows.

While hardware manufacturers testing on windows does explain a lot, don't discount the massive amount of work MS put into making windows work on flaky hardware. They really do (or at least did) seem to have the mentality of "we will be blamed if it doesn't work, so bend over backwards to make things work"

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Tried elementary awhile back, but I've recently gotten tired of ubuntu's kernel, and just some errors/quirks with my hardware. So when I upgraded my hdd to sdd/hybrid I said screw it and went with Antergos (arch linux) distro. The gnome build is pretty beautiful, lightdm is styled very lovely, better than ubuntu/xubuntu/lxde/kubuntu by far. My hardware performs way better with less crashes, though I think I've narrowed that down to a bad memory chip that I need to replace soon.

I did pull out gnome and swap it for i3wm. I recommend if you haven't tried i3wm give it a try, there's less graphical flair, and panels -- but you gain in performance, speed, and productivity, everything is just a shortcut away, and the i3 config file makes adding more shortcuts even easier. Definitely worth the time to learn.

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And you can't remap things in Vim because ... ?

Well, I can remap things, but then it wouldn't work on a remote aws machine, or at my colleague's machine, etc. And this is not only Vim. Having a system-wide set of shortcuts without having to fight the system is extremely powerful. I have suggested Win-C/Win-V to the elementaryOS guys -- as an addition, not a replacement -- but they weren't interested.

> Well, I can remap things, but then it wouldn't work on a remote aws machine, or at my colleague's machine, etc. And this is not only Vim.

Hmm, backtracking to my grandparent comment, if you can map the terminal emulator to do the equivalent of C-c upon C-S-c, then why not do the same with C-v and C-S-v. Just send the ASCII keysequence for C-v down the shell.

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> Having a system-wide set of shortcuts without having to fight the system is extremely powerful.

This follows the exact same argument OS X has to not using Ctrl-c, Ctrl-x, and Ctrl-v for copy, cut, and paste: history. When I first used OS X, coming from a Windows and GUI Linux keyboard usage background, I found that odd similarly to how OS X terminal users find Linux's terminal shortcuts.

But hey, historical decisions have stuck. And it's not that hard to commit to muscle memory a few platform differences here and there. There certainly are many OSX-isms a not-primarily-OSX user has to deal with.

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My mini Ask HN: After over a decade of using Mac OS X, I am considering switching to Linux for my dev laptop. The tools I worry about are those that interact with audio and webcam - Go To Meeting, Google Hangout etc. My work involves me having to teleconf with others often. Does anyone here have experience using Linux well in such scenarios. If so, what hardware are you using? Also, does sleep-on-closing-lid work wel…

Only the g2m web client works on linux; anything you need the desktop app for (i.e. pretty much anything for which you are the presenter) does not work.

WebEx's Linux support is excellent though.

Google Hangouts works fine under chrome on linux.

As far as hardware, webcam support is generally good. It's now at the point where if you bought a random webcam, there is a better than 50% chance it will just work. That being said, it's much safer to check if others have used it, or to just buy a laptop that has a webcam and ships with linux support (Both Dell and HP have laptops that ship with linux installed). I have a Creative Labs USB webcam that unfortunately has no model number printed on it (I have a long list of things I don't like about built-in webcams).

Sleep has worked on all laptops I've tried in the past decade or so. Hibernate (i.e. suspend to disk) is much more spotty.

Battery life lies somewhere between windows 7 and Mac, though certain applications are particularly bad at draining the battery (powertop can be useful in identifying these).

In general linux on a laptop has gotten way better; in particular networking is much more bearable now that NetworkManager actually works and it's much easier to find laptops with linux supported wifi gear preinstalled.

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I saw someone mention audio issues; that reminds me. The situation there is more like what networking was like 5-6 years ago. Pulse Audio promises to provide all the basic features people expect from an audio stack), but sometimes crashes, or drains your battery or just causes weird sounds to come out of your speaker. On the other hand, getting ALSA+dmix setup correctly without pulse audio (which is the only real alternative), is fairly arcane, and leaves you without things like per-application volume control (though many linux applications provide their own software-implemented volume control).

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I would move to an Elementary OS if it's UI/UX was moved over an Arch based distribution. I mean Elementary OS simply looks beautiful and is stable(-ish). On top of Manjaro or something that holds back updates I wouldn't be able to figure out a more perfect development/daily driver system.

You could try Antergos, https://antergos.com/ . it is an Arch-based distro with minor changes and sane default install.

have anyone tried Apricity, https://apricityos.com?

I'm currently using Archlinux now, so far I enjoy using it, but the fact that we have to put much effort on installing it makes me don't want to recommend it.

I try to find simple-to-install-with-Arch-linux-based-OS, still with rolling release and pacman -Syu to update the entire OS.

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linux works perfectly well in all these scenarios and is actually better than Windows. hangouts works brilliantly. skype (even the old version) works great with both audio and video. in fact i have switched over to the skype web version which works on the chrome browser (no video call for now.. but audio works brilliantly). i use fedora 24..which just works and is pretty cutting edge. i switched over from Ubuntu pret…

Nice to see another Fedora user! I find it runs better than Ubuntu. Faster and more stable. Recently I have been using Cinnamon over GNOME3. What DE do you use?

gnome 3. i really enjoy the way that gnome 3 has evolved. i think it is more usable than even OSX.

plus it comes with all the new systemd security integration. i dont think cinnamon has been rebased on gnome 3 yet

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Linux is getting a new Skype version: https://blogs.skype.com/2016/07/13/skype-for-linux-alpha-and...

Unfortunately this seems to be just a wrapper around their web app. Meaning there is zero chance for a significant native linux skype client update.

It isn’t. It’s the equivalent of the Windows and Mac versions.

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I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

Maybe because after decades I'm frankly pissed of all the infinite glitches in windows and Linux and I want something that just works? Every hour spent in fighting those problems is real money that I lose, but above all I want to write code, not to fight with a machine. I'm not 16 anymore (when I had all the time of this world and when I even enjoyed the fight), now I just want to use my time to write code instead of…

> Maybe because after decades I'm frankly pissed of all the infinite glitches in windows and Linux and I want something that just works?

I actually ended up switching from OS X to Linux (on a MacBook) for this reason. Things break all the time, but at least I can usually figure out how to fix them on Linux. (OS X would freeze at random times, requiring a hard shutdown, and also sometimes resume from sleep with a black screen and no way to change it, the former happening across every version and the latter only after I upgraded to Mavericks).

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"Also, does sleep-on-closing-lid work well?" Funny story: My new-ish Dell laptop (Inspiron 15 7559 i7 with 4k touchscreen display; which I got at an absurdly low sales price from the Dell outlet store) does not reliably recover from sleep under Windows, but does under Linux (neither worked when I first got the laptop, but now only Windows fails and now only some of the time). That's a first, for me, as I have had a h…

Did you do anything to fix your sleep recovery issues on Linux, or did it get resolved by chance?

Kernel upgrade. 4.7.something or other, I think.

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I've been pretty happy with the "sakura" terminal[s] - I don't really know iTerm2, though, so I'm not sure what "iTerm2-like quality" means, or if Sakura matches (or surpasses, for that matter) it. I'm not sure why you need a shortcut for copy, select copies by default on linux[x11] - middle-button pastes (or shift-insert). [s] http://www.pleyades.net/david/projects/sakura [x11] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/deb…

Select means working with a mouse? Thanks, but no thanks. Also, where would a middle button be on a trackpad?

How do you usually select text to copy in iTerm, if not with a pointing device?
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