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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by vectorpush » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:22 PM UTC

heurist wrote: post #246

vectorpush wrote: post #151

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I agree with you, but I think she needs to be indicted if the e-mails prove her to be culpable. Ideally she will win the election, and if the e-mails prove damning she will be indicted and hopefully impeached and forced to resign, leaving Tim Kaine to finish off her term, which IMO would be the best case scenario for the country.

That's pretty presumptive. The last FBI investigation into her emails went a year and found nothing. Given that she's been running for president the last decade or two and republicans will pounce on her over any little misstep, do you really think she'd intentionally do something that could ruin her chances of winning or staying president? Remember that intention is important in law...

In what way is what I said presumptive?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by downandout » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:22 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #288

downandout wrote: post #285

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>Most government emails are not classified. I would guess that a significant percentage of State Department emails to and from the Secretary of State are at least confidential. Again, we won't agree on this until after the election when Clinton supporters like yourself are able to undertake an honest assessment of their new President without Trump in the picture. She lied, she will very likely continue lying, and giv…

> I would guess that a significant percentage of State Department emails to and from the Secretary of State are at least confidential Probably, so? The fact that it's a mixed environment means that it's a code switching situation, which means that the indicators that a particular context is in play are critical. There's a reason that classified documents have banners (and though it's not the purpose of portion markin…

I would prefer that neither of them win. Certainly we can do better than this.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by mark_l_watson » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:37 PM UTC

cmsimike wrote: post #44

eli wrote: post #13

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I've heard many people cite emails as the main reason they are not voting for her. I assume most of them actually would never have voted for her anyway, but it's a real issue.

I've always voted democrat as "the lesser of two evils" but this email situation has really ruffled my feathers (and is why I am voting third party). I get that there is favoritism in everything, but the idea that Hillary (at least before looked like she) walked away scott-free after committing what I believe to be a very serious crime whereas any one of us in a similar situation would have been thrown in jail right…

+1 I am also a lifetime Democrat who is not voting for Clinton for this and other reasons. I decided to vote for Jill Stein, rather than not vote at all.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by Armisael16 » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:48 PM UTC

gragas wrote: post #275

Armisael16 wrote: post #172

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Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus... Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.

FiveThirtyEight is extremely biased.

Then it's awfully convenient for me that they didn't perform the survey or do the analysis, then.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by cpr » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 12:11 AM UTC

swissoak wrote: post #209

pfraze wrote: post #203

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Please! Your interpretation of "I'll keep you in suspense" only makes sense if you strip the context. The question of concession was only asked because, he's been claiming the election is rigged. So that question of concession, translated to include the context, was, "Ok Donald, are you really going to claim to the nation that the elections are rigged, and that you won't accept their results?" And his, answer was, "W…

Obama called it rigged in 2008.

Yep: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4625800/obama-rigged-election...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by douche » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 12:58 AM UTC

brandon272 wrote: post #214

freehunter wrote: post #199

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Nothing Trump has said or done in any way improves the suitability of Clinton for president. If Trump did get elected, maybe it would shock the nation into actually caring about who they pick as their nominee?

I think people severely overestimate how a Trump presidency would play out in terms of "shocking" the system. And in the meantime, a Trump administration could do plenty of damage that have ripple effects on society for decades to come. (See: Supreme Court nominees)

> (See: Supreme Court nominees)

The flip side of that is that there are pretty close to the same number of people that think a Clinton administration could do plenty of damage that would have ripple effects on society for decades to come.

I'm uneasy about judicial activism, in either direction. I wish that conservatism, of the Chestertonian, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" variety, was a requirement for such an august long-tenured position.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by douche » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:00 AM UTC

mywittyname wrote: post #259

vectorpush wrote: post #151

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I agree with you, but I think she needs to be indicted if the e-mails prove her to be culpable. Ideally she will win the election, and if the e-mails prove damning she will be indicted and hopefully impeached and forced to resign, leaving Tim Kaine to finish off her term, which IMO would be the best case scenario for the country.

Obama will pardon her a la Carter with Nixon.

Ford

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by drewrv » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:02 AM UTC

gragas wrote: post #273

drewrv wrote: post #266

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She could hire someone to walk her dog and 40% of the country would consider it scandalous and criminal.

You're dramatically downplaying the things HRC has been implicated in. It's almost as if you've already made up your mind that she's not guilty of anything.

33 congressional hearings and $7 million were spent on the whole Benghazi thing, and what did it prove? Obviously she should have supported the ambassador better but hindsight is 20/20. http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/house-select-committe...

Then there's the accusation that she rigged the primary, despite the fact that she had nothing to do with that. It was on the DNC.

Or there was the "scandal" about how her staff was smashing cell phones. It's a legit and basically mundane data security procedure. https://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-clinton-destroyed-pho...

People scream scandal at her over mundane stuff or stuff she has nothing to do with all the time. It's absurd.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by cmdrfred » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:29 AM UTC

heurist wrote: post #290

cmdrfred wrote: post #261

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>The last FBI investigation into her emails went a year and found nothing. Incorrect, they found no one who was "willing to prosecute"

So they found effectively nothing, which is all they'll find here.

Or nobody was willing to commit political suicide and bring her to justice.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by swang » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:34 AM UTC

cmdrfred wrote: post #264

Armisael16 wrote: post #262

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56% ± 3.3% at 95% confidence isn't good enough for you?

They are pulling the confidence level out of their asses. The Clinton campaign has been playing with the polling since the start of this campaign. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 If this is real, it can be duplicated.

you understand what that email was talking about right?

oversampling is done to get a better view of specific groups. when put back in comparison to the population as a whole they are readjusted for their extra sampling.

those polls were also for internal purposes to the clinton campaign, and not polls that are actually released. so why would there be manipulation in an internal poll that would affect decision making in the clinton camp?

there is literally zero going on in that email but trump supporters saw "oversampled" and freaked out because they didn't know what it meant in regards to polling.