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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by rickyc091 »

gregmac wrote: post #271
gthtjtkt wrote: post #207

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Then sell the screen itself. Why chain it to mediocre, non-upgradeable hardware?

I guess because when you inevitably go to upgrade the hardware in a couple years, you'll have to buy a new screen, too. Works for Apple. Seems to be working so far for the "Smart TV" market. I don't get it myself, but then I have not owned a completely "new" desktop in over 15 years, even though my desktop PC is full of modern components (and I'm fairly sure at this point, not a single piece that was in the original…

This is actually targeting illustrators and people who typically work with large wacoms (cintiq). The true display 1:1 ratio is amazing for checking designs for letterheads, business cards, etc. The process typically involves printing it out and doing side by side comparisons.

They probably went with the hybrid storage since PSD / illustration files take up an enormous amount of space. Unfortunately there's no such thing as git for design. The SSD would be appreciated, but once Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator is opened, SSD makes little difference.

From a feature aspect the surface dial seems pretty amazing. Ill be interested in trying it out at the store. The ability to go from desktop to working directly on it is also incredible. Cintiqs take up a lot of space...

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by slantyyz »

fsloth wrote: post #211
math0ne wrote: post #181

I don't understand who this product is for, someone who is not a PC enthusiast but has 3000$ to spend on a PC? I guess the target audience is like high end design studios that need to outfit their stylish new office with matching computers that no one will ever use because all the real work happens at home on people's macbooks at home. That said I love the dial thingy, I think it has some great ideas behind it and is…

The target market is not a PC enthusiasts but creative professionals.

>> The target market is not a PC enthusiasts but creative professionals.

I would also add that another target market is other Windows PC makers.

In the same way that the Surface and Surface Book showed what touch-based Windows devices could be, I imagine that Lenovo, Dell etc. will probably get some inspiration from this product and produce their own variants for a bunch of different market segments.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

amyjess wrote: post #286
existencebox wrote: post #115

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Disclaimer: msftie. I don't buy that, despite how much I hear it. there are a few situations I'd agree that if you don't have the first-to-market advantage you're basically fucked (social networking being a prime one, any system where network effect dominates). And while people cite apps as being the "network-effect-esque" factor in this case, I'm not sure I buy that. Looking at data of how many people NEVER use a si…

The problem is that for a lot of us, some apps have become necessary for day-to-day life. For example, I cannot get around without using Uber and Lyft. I need to carry a phone on me with these apps at all times. Windows doesn't support either of them, so I can't use a Windows phone until it does. I'd love to use Windows on a phone -- I'm actually starting to fall in love with the new MS -- but I simply can't.

Uber's official app is available on my Windows 10 Mobile device. Just checked for you.

And it's not "Windows doesn't support either". It's "They don't support Windows". The platform does not have to do anything to support them, they need to choose to make apps for the platform. ;)

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by criddell »

8ytecoder wrote: post #205
partiallypro wrote: post #193

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What is going to set Microsoft apart in mobile at this point? The fact that you probably can't answer that is why Microsoft is still at the drawing board. One day they will return to the mobile world, probably next spring; but for now launching a good smart phone, even a great smart phone, that lacks the eco-system of Apple and Google is DOA unless it has something else appealing about it. I suspect the "Surface Phon…

This. I think this is why they are pushing UWP and convincing more people to build apps for Windows 10 using it. If this strategy succeeds, they'd have everything in place for a relaunch. It would be so seamless for developers to support Windows 10 Mobile, they'd just do it.

I can see some business applications that might benefit from UWP, but that's not terribly exciting.

Other than games, what's the last interesting consumer-focused Windows application that's generated buzz and revenue for anybody but Microsoft?

Microsoft feels like they are headed out to the same (incredibly lucrative) pasture that IBM and Oracle inhabit.

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Post by detaro »

pjmlp wrote: post #233
CountSessine wrote: post #195

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Out of curiosity, what's the use case for cheap win10 netbooks nowadays? When I think of something that has a web browser and a keyboard, the low end of the market seems to be the current crop of Chromebooks, and schools seem to agree - they've been phenomenally popular in education. Typical Win10 netbooks don't have a lot of CPU+GPU grunt, so it doesn't seem to me (maybe you'll correct me) like they'd be very good f…

People that want a computer with a real OS instead of a browser window juggler. I keep seeing references how the low end is using Chromebooks, but that seems to be an US phenomenon. Here in Europe on the area where I live, I only ever seen Chromebooks on sale on a specific chain, and they are seldom there. When they are, they always follow the pattern of being on sale with the usual Google price, people play with it,…

Here in Germany I've never seen them particularly cheap. Which is too bad, since I was looking into throwing Linux on one and use it as a "lighter and a lot less expensive to loose" web machine.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by pjmlp »

detaro wrote: post #295
pjmlp wrote: post #233

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People that want a computer with a real OS instead of a browser window juggler. I keep seeing references how the low end is using Chromebooks, but that seems to be an US phenomenon. Here in Europe on the area where I live, I only ever seen Chromebooks on sale on a specific chain, and they are seldom there. When they are, they always follow the pattern of being on sale with the usual Google price, people play with it,…

Here in Germany I've never seen them particularly cheap. Which is too bad, since I was looking into throwing Linux on one and use it as a "lighter and a lot less expensive to loose" web machine.

The specific chain I mentioned is Saturn.

I only saw them there, until they eventually get sold out on those campaigns where they put products on the containers at very discounted prices.

But I only saw this happening a couple of times.

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Post by ralmidani »

I can kind of understand the need for non-upgradable phones and laptops, since they are more useful when they're thinner and lighter. But stationary devices like this and Apple's iMac are unnecessarily wasteful.

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Post by detaro »

pjmlp wrote: post #296
detaro wrote: post #295

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Here in Germany I've never seen them particularly cheap. Which is too bad, since I was looking into throwing Linux on one and use it as a "lighter and a lot less expensive to loose" web machine.

The specific chain I mentioned is Saturn. I only saw them there, until they eventually get sold out on those campaigns where they put products on the containers at very discounted prices. But I only saw this happening a couple of times.

Good to know, if I end up in one of their stores for some reason I'll keep an eye out just in case. At least with a Chromebook you know that there are drivers somehow, not so sure with ultra-cheap Win10 devices.

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Post by digi_owl »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #264
CountSessine wrote: post #195

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Out of curiosity, what's the use case for cheap win10 netbooks nowadays? When I think of something that has a web browser and a keyboard, the low end of the market seems to be the current crop of Chromebooks, and schools seem to agree - they've been phenomenally popular in education. Typical Win10 netbooks don't have a lot of CPU+GPU grunt, so it doesn't seem to me (maybe you'll correct me) like they'd be very good f…

Windows 10 is a superset of ChromeOS and that makes it a great conservative choice for casual users. They might need iTunes/Office/tax software/... in the future and Windows will have them covered, without buying another machine in the next 5-10 years. It's like a Swiss army knife for computing.

I just wish MS would either ease up on some of the restrictions on their UWP apps, or bring out a UWP adapted file explorer.

Right now you need to drop back to the "old" desktop file explorer (though ribbon seems to take some pain out of it once you bump the font size a bit), complete with all its UX gotchas thanks to the mouse assumptions.

This because UWP apps can only manipulate certain folders by default, and you have to authorize others (via the age old file picker dialog no less) manually. On top of that you can't launch a exe or similar from inside a UWP app.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by existencebox »

camiller wrote: post #272
existencebox wrote: post #115

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Disclaimer: msftie. I don't buy that, despite how much I hear it. there are a few situations I'd agree that if you don't have the first-to-market advantage you're basically fucked (social networking being a prime one, any system where network effect dominates). And while people cite apps as being the "network-effect-esque" factor in this case, I'm not sure I buy that. Looking at data of how many people NEVER use a si…

"...there are a few situations I'd agree that if you don't have the first-to-market advantage you're basically fucked (social networking being a prime one..." 10 years ago there where a number of articles about how MySpace won the social media war. The current king of that particular hill did not have first to market advantage. Your argument is invalid. http://www.devlounge.net/webapps/why-myspace-won-the-social-...

I think you're reading too much into my argument. I never said you win _forever_ but that it's not worth trying to win market share iteratively when an incumbent with heavy network effects is already well serving your niche.

I'd argue myspace is a perfect example of this, largely due to when you look at when it was finally dethroned, it was VERY sudden, and came after years of the platform languishing from a user point of view. It took a hell of a lot of pain to push myspace past the point where the network effect could be overcome.

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