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Self-Driving Cars Must Meet 15 Benchmarks in U.S. Guidance

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This seems suspiciously like government getting something right... with regards to a quickly-evolving new technology market... has this ever happened before?

Can you think of a concrete example where the government got it wrong?[1] For the sake of argument, the federal government in the last 50 years? Maybe the encryption export ban. Or the CDA, but that was quickly reversed and the part that's left (Section 230) was really instrumental in the rise of the modern web. [1] And I don't mean wrong as in "NSA spying" because you disagree with the policy. I mean like, "regulati…

Software patents.

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Dangerous. What if they end up with different interpretations, which one is actually correct ?

Brake.

If you are on a highway at full speed, a sudden brake can lead to an accident (folks behind you not reacting on time).

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> Also, autopilots even in a commercial jet keep the plane steady along a route, they don't deal with collisions at all... Yes, they do. Then the problem is when the 2 autopilots of the 2 planes take the same evasive manœuvre...

Ah, the awkward old dance where two people try to walk through the doorway and end up mirroring each other's movements trying to get out of each other's way... The aviation world actually solved this problem a long time ago. Everyone turns to their right. FAR 91.113: > (e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter course to the right (…

I'm pretty sure the aviation world inherited this protocol from the nautical world.

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Brake.

If you are on a highway at full speed, a sudden brake can lead to an accident (folks behind you not reacting on time).

So don't brake suddenly when unnecessary, only in case of emergency. In other cases just slowdown to full stop and alarm human driver in process, giving him more time to react.

IMHO, emergency braking must be mandatory for every new car with top speed greater than 60 km/h.

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> Some HIPAA regulations that pre-date the rise of shared virtual servers in "the cloud" are quite outdated and cause quite a bit of trouble for no real benefit. What HIPAA regulations are you talking about? Other than HITECH guidance (which can sort-of be seen as a "HIPAA regulation"), HIPAA regulations don't generally specify technologies at all, and I can't think of any that I would describe as outdated or trouble…

I asked my doctor to email me my records and was told it is illegal due to HIPAA it makes no fucking sense but that's what it is.

It isn't illegal to email records under HIPAA. But your doctor probably doesn't have a system set up to securely email records (such things do exist), and their practice has probably adopted privacy policies that don't allow emailing for that reason. Doctors aren't generally compliance experts, and are much more likely to know what the policies of their place of work allow than the distinctions between what HIPAA allies and what their place of employment has adopted as policy based on the particular technology they've decided to adopt and their particular level of risk tolerance and other factors.

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I'm astounded that it seems like these regulations are going to be sensible and promote the technology. It's a good thing that these are going into place, since autonomous vehicles should definitely not be legislated on a state-by-state basis.

> I'm astounded that it seems like these regulations are going to be sensible... Was that hyperbole? I would say the majority of regulations (at least in OECD countries) are sensible, and many that are not are intended to be, are outdated, or are politicized.

I get where you're coming from, but I live in a state where, until very recently, brewers were not allowed to sell beer directly to customers. There are still large swaths of my state that do not allow the sale of alcohol on Sunday, period. And when brewers were allowed to sell beer on tours of their brewery, suddenly the government started messing with the regulations again to basically undo everything.

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What is it about self-driving cars that has HN readers so incredibly excited? Sorry if it's a little off-topic. The reason I ask is there are plenty of other countries in the world where cars just aren't that important, let's take Netherlands for example. If you have automatic cars, society here is not just going to be that excited AFAIK. Public transport here is great and most people cycle everywhere, because it's f…

It's the intersection of dramatic potential effects on society with skills that HN readers have and understand.

A sibling comment pointed out the loss of life issue. I recall (correctly, I hope) Sebastian Thrun mentioning that a traffic accident was part of his initial motivation. Reducing loss of life due to human folly is a strong motivator, but there are certainly ample opportunities for that beyond just this one.

Self-driving cars have widespread potential effects across society, from shipping to taxis to car ownership to the human angle in hours saved and lives saved. This is big. Think of all the lives lost and hours wasted in traffic in the US every year. (No functional public transit in most of the country, etc.)

It's an area where the challenges are largely technical--once the technology is safer than human drivers, we assume the regulatory issues will go away quickly. (And we probably underestimate the technical issues in getting there.)

The huge potential combined with massive and primarily technical challenges makes this probably the biggest thing since the Internet where a bunch of engineers feel like we can change society in a profound way with a bit of software.

It's partly because the tech is actually so new that we can project our expectations onto it rather than focusing on what is actually here today (which is impressive but far from the goal). Weigh this potential against the reality of what most of us actually work on today, and you may see the appeal.

Of course, reality will take time to catch up to the dream, but it's the dream that generates the excitement.

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An autopilot in a Cessna can most definitely not take you around the world. Also, autopilots even in a commercial jet keep the plane steady along a route, they don't deal with collisions at all...you could call it "lane keeping" if you want to sue the airline industry for misleading us over a term they created. Autolanding is not autopilot. In fact, autolanding is not even certified if multiple autopilots are not ava…

> Also, autopilots even in a commercial jet keep the plane steady along a route, they don't deal with collisions at all... Yes, they do. Then the problem is when the 2 autopilots of the 2 planes take the same evasive manœuvre...

The planes talk to each other and run a common protocol that tells the pilots what to do to resolve the conflict. The problem is when one of the pilots doesn't listen to the nice robot voice yelling at him to DESCEND NOW!...

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Good questions and it's great to hear this take on things. Cars play a large role in America. I don't know all the history about how it came to be this way, but I can make some guesses... * America is very big, and a lot of the settlements are spread out by a ways. Cars make those communities less insular because they provide a way to get from one town to another, where biking would take a very long time and signific…

What happened was; an auto-industry was born and lobbied the government to tear down a lot of the tram, bike and rail infrastructure you guys had. Especially in LA. A similar thing happened in Sydney, Australia, the city had one of the largest tram systems in the world, the director of the motor trade authority was elected into government and made sure that all the tracks were literally tared over, they are still und…

I don't get it... Are you telling me that what I wrote was wrong? You're the one who asked why people on HN are so into self-driving cars, and my answers are why.

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An autopilot in a Cessna can most definitely not take you around the world. Also, autopilots even in a commercial jet keep the plane steady along a route, they don't deal with collisions at all...you could call it "lane keeping" if you want to sue the airline industry for misleading us over a term they created. Autolanding is not autopilot. In fact, autolanding is not even certified if multiple autopilots are not ava…

> Also, autopilots even in a commercial jet keep the plane steady along a route, they don't deal with collisions at all... Yes, they do. Then the problem is when the 2 autopilots of the 2 planes take the same evasive manœuvre...

TCAS has the unit with the higher serial number yield to the one with the lower serial number.
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