How many hundreds of npm dependencies in the default install? Is Leftpad included?
Why does it matter?
Angular 2 Final Released
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Re: Angular 2 Final Released
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Angular2 gives you a full framework, and as they say now, a whole platform. So did Angular 1, and then they threw it under a bus. Now developers have to either refactor for a whole new framework or get stuck with a legacy one. Javascript ecosystem is becoming so hostile a project deprecates itself in favor of a clean rewrite and the migration path is an afterthought. Will think twice before adopting google framewo…
>and then they threw it under a bus. They didn't just do this "because." There were sound technical reasons to do so. Angular made the correct decision, in my opinion, and decided to cut its losses immediately and right the wrongs within the framework.
Well... I would argue that angular 2 is not even better than angular 1 so it will probably happen again :p
It's more performant, but that's about it. It's insane, java/spring like complex for no reason.
Re: Angular 2 Final Released
#293As someone who uses Angular 1 currently but would pick React for their next project, I'd love to see a list of reasons why I should use Angular 2 over React. If nothing else, Angular just stranded all their developers, while React has a huge head start on mindshare/plugins/tutorials/etc.
I lost so much time with Angular 1. I don't care how much v2 is better than v1, I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole (disclaimer: switched to React, not looking back).
The thing is, angular 2 is not better. Not api wise.
It's just more performant, which is cool and all, but react has a much better value proposition.
Re: Angular 2 Final Released
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like the opinionated approach of NG2 over the flexibility of React because it takes a lot of decisions off of me that i am not too interested in when building a new project. I am a full stack developer leaning more towards backend in recent years and i found setting up and finding out about best practices and "what to use" for React a bit tedious, also it changes so much. The last Flux framework i used was alt.js w…
Of note, Facebook's create-react-app provides an "official' opinionated approach. https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2016/07/22/create-apps... There's even a pull request to bring typescript into the mix. https://github.com/facebookincubator/create-react-app/pull/5...
Don't have a dog in the fight-- I'm using both React and Angular2 in production. I just wanted to add that create-react-app (which was built by a few guys over a weekend or something like that?) I found to be IMMENSELY more useful than angular-cli.
I know a lot of work has been put in to angular-cli and it's been through a few iterations at this point, but I almost wish they would scrap the whole thing and fork create-react-app.
Re: Angular 2 Final Released
#295Serious question : Why are SPA frameworks so popular these days? When someone asks "What should I use for web development?", It's now all about React/Angular/Ember/etc. But when I look at how are built the sites I like and visit frequently, I'd say 95% of them are not SPA, they are classic sites where the server generate each page (sometimes with one or two Ajax requests)! The Single Page pattern is great for desktop…
Websites vs. Web Apps. Websites are static documents. Web Apps use the browser as a runtime for a UI application.
You can have a lot of interactivity with plain Javascript + some Ajax requests, without the need for the application to be a single page developed using an almighty framework. Classic websites are not synonym of "static documents" in my opinion.
Re: Angular 2 Final Released
#296Serious question : Why are SPA frameworks so popular these days? When someone asks "What should I use for web development?", It's now all about React/Angular/Ember/etc. But when I look at how are built the sites I like and visit frequently, I'd say 95% of them are not SPA, they are classic sites where the server generate each page (sometimes with one or two Ajax requests)! The Single Page pattern is great for desktop…
There's honestly no need for React/Angular/etc to necessarily power a SPA, you can just use it to build smaller components. I initially got started with Angular to power a reusable video "widget" component on a WordPress site - a far cry from an SPA! It's also a great route to getting your feet wet without committing wholesale to a technology.
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#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has everyone who switched from Redux to MobX been informed that Redux won and they should switch back?
Who has switched? Do you have any example?
I've just finished my first major redux project and found it incredibly slow to develop with. Write an action type constant/action creator/dispatch/reducer/mapStateToProps just to show an element in response to a mouse click? I found myself cutting corners on the UI because the amount of code I'd have to write makes it seem like a huge task.
I'll be evaluating mobx for my next project, definitely, along with Relay. If I can maintain the same view-as-a-function-of-state approach of redux while writing less code, I'm sold.
Re: Angular 2 Final Released
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like the opinionated approach of NG2 over the flexibility of React because it takes a lot of decisions off of me that i am not too interested in when building a new project. I am a full stack developer leaning more towards backend in recent years and i found setting up and finding out about best practices and "what to use" for React a bit tedious, also it changes so much. The last Flux framework i used was alt.js w…
Of note, Facebook's create-react-app provides an "official' opinionated approach. https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2016/07/22/create-apps... There's even a pull request to bring typescript into the mix. https://github.com/facebookincubator/create-react-app/pull/5...
CRA isn't opinionated aside from the config and testing (Jest). It has no router, no Redux, etc.
It was made for demos, proof of concepts, and beginners (at the beginning, maybe not anymore). I don't know how Angular CLI works, but if it works like Ember's, then there's no comparison. Ember CLI generates models, controllers, etc. any kind of thing and it enforces a file and directory structure that makes all Ember apps look the same.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any chance you can do a quick cons review too? Specifically comparing to the weakness of Angular 1 like bloated complexities, issue with custom directives or scope life-cycle.
Cons: 1. Typescript. If your team isn't familiar with it it's not trivial to get everyone on board. The up-front cost can absolutely be worth it in the long run, but there's some friction in the day-to-day work with managing type definition files and looking up esoteric lint-errors from the Typescript compiler. 2. RXJS. Canonical NG2 should use Observables, and rxjs is not a trivial library to learn the ins and outs…
RXJS and it's learning curve, not just getting it to work but getting it to work idiomatically has been my biggest struggle with NG2.
Re: Angular 2 Final Released
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any chance you can do a quick cons review too? Specifically comparing to the weakness of Angular 1 like bloated complexities, issue with custom directives or scope life-cycle.
Cons: 1. Typescript. If your team isn't familiar with it it's not trivial to get everyone on board. The up-front cost can absolutely be worth it in the long run, but there's some friction in the day-to-day work with managing type definition files and looking up esoteric lint-errors from the Typescript compiler. 2. RXJS. Canonical NG2 should use Observables, and rxjs is not a trivial library to learn the ins and outs…
The lack of documentation about testing is a major annoyance. I really thought that they would fix that before declaring a final release of 2.0.