Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it • Hacker News Board

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by j_s » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:09 PM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #112

AWildDHHAppears wrote: post #111

Interesting. For projects that don't need a "community" we've been using Amazon CodeCommit. We don't like to use Github anymore because of the politics there. Example: We had a project involving software filters that included this sentence in the description: > Phase is related to time, but a pure time delay does not involve any phase shift. A pure time delay or "group delay" is constant with frequency. Phase shift v…

We removed our project and never used github again. That seems like a totally disproportionate approach versus responding with a polite 'this is a legitimate use of the word, thanks' message.

You mean like when the parent poster did this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12233452 ??

She indicated that it doesn't matter how the word is used, some will see it as aggressive.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by dmitry-k » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:10 PM UTC

dvdgsng wrote: post #159

marcinkuzminski wrote: post #46

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For Mercurial check out RhodeCode which is also supporting some of unique Mercurial features like largefiles, phases, bookmarks.

Just to give you guys some credit: I've had the pleasure of working with RhodeCode on my previous job 2.5 years ago and it was an awesome experience. HG & Git support, full-text search, repo-specific access control, a nice gui, easy setup, etc. Unfortunately, most devs and sysadmins I talk to don't even know about your product, which is a real pity, as they all use the same inferior products and don't know what they…

@dvdgsng We're better than ever, thanks! I don't know if you heard, RhodeCode CE is now free and open source. Feel free to join our Slack: https://rhodecode.com/join

We'll be rolling out a major release next week, might be the right time to spread a word to colleagues ;)

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by untog » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:15 PM UTC

efvxcgci wrote: post #243

matthewmacleod wrote: post #112

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We removed our project and never used github again. That seems like a totally disproportionate approach versus responding with a polite 'this is a legitimate use of the word, thanks' message.

It's quite disappointing to see people defending a company that hires bigoted political activists to crawl users' projects in order to harass users for perceived political transgressions. And what level of access do these on-staff political activists have to private user information? What measures, if any, does GitHub have in place to prevent one of their political activist employees from using privileged information…

It's quite disappointing to see Hacker News users use hyperbolic language and throw out nonsensical arguments.

What is "bigoted" about trying to avoid the user of the word "retard"? I'm not saying that what Github is doing is wise or sensible, but I'm struggling to see how it is bigoted.

> What measures, if any, does GitHub have in place to prevent one of their political activist employees from using privileged information to go after perceived political enemies or even just retaliate against users who protest being harassed?

I would imagine the same as any other company. There's nothing that would indicate otherwise, aside from your own biases against Github.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by jdmichal » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:18 PM UTC

dsp1234 wrote: post #221

favadi wrote: post #173

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I'm in an asian country where racist is (mostly) not a thing, so why people cares about those rates is a mystery for me. In my thought, if there are 2 candidates for a leader role, and they decided "oh, we need more women in leader rank, we should chose her", it is just wrong. Race/gender shouldn't be even considered as a factor in those situations.

so why people cares about those rates is a mystery for me. If someone rolls a die 10.000 times, and 75% of the time it lands on a six, then instead of "not caring", many people will care. Particularly those that are not betting on the six. Though the people betting on the six have a vested stake in "not caring". In other words, it's a matter of bias. If talent is not correlated to race/sex, then we can expect that th…

> If talent is not correlated to race/sex, then we can expect that the number of people of various races/sexes that are represented in the industry should roughly match the general makeup of the population (ie it's a mostly random distribution).

Employer hiring should match the candidate population, not the general population. This is a subtle but very important difference when we also see, for instance, gender bias in graduation rates of STEM fields. (I'm not claiming that this accounts for all bias.) Really, when you say "there is a bias somewhere in the process", it must be remembered that the "process" being spoken of is the entire process that leads to a person being a valid candidate, from schooling to prior experience. (It's hard to get hired as a senior if you can't get hired as a junior first.)

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by mildbow » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:20 PM UTC

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #272

alexbanks wrote: post #261

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But do you not understand that while writing a sentence, it is not the job of the writer to tip toe around the reader's possible negative life experience? It would be near impossible to write about anything if that were the case. Example: In your post you used the phrase "bad memories." I have bad memories of something that happened a week ago. Thus, your post is offensive (by your reasoning). Ultimately if you're sp…

A good writer has the responsibility of choosing the correct word. That's what makes them good. I apologize if my use of some words offended you. My reasoning is that words that trigger specific memories and experiences in a person are more hurtful. The world is not a perfect place but it is constantly changing and evolving. I keep working hard to use words that are not hurtful.

Sure.

But a good writer does not mean an inoffensive one. If pressed, I would even argue that the opposite is that case.

You are so off the mark that you must be trolling or "receded".

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by iamdave » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:22 PM UTC

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #290

irrational wrote: post #282

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You've never heard the term receding hairline? I would think that hairline would be the first thing Americans would think of when hearing the word recede. I must ask, where did you learn English?

I learned English and how not to be rude in America.

But you're still digging in heels and refusing to entertain the notion of 'context clues' with respect to how words are used beyond carte blanche association of words and their meanings to the marginalization of social groups? I don't understand this.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by mildbow » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:28 PM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #187

Nadya wrote: post #145

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I stopped using Github when they hired blatant racists as part of their 'social outreach' team. The infestation of politically-correct politics drives talent that can't be bothered with such cruft away. I was there to code. Not worry about if I hurt some oversensitive person's feelings for referring to master/slave copies.

I wrote this elsewhere so I won't repeat it here ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12232883 ) We're all on Github to write code, but I'd argue you are dangerously close to throwing the baby out with the bathwater there. It seems perfectly reasonable for someone to say "hey, this term you use might be offensive/makes me uncomfortable, please consider changing it." It's also perfectly legitimate for you to say "I…

It's "the worst idea in the world" because it perpetuates the idea that certain words or thoughts are taboo.

This doesn't mean people stop having them.

This just means that they are labelled/judged if they have them.

Guess what happens then? People keep it to themselves. And then they vote for Trump. Why? Because, he is a ridiculous loudmouth who is very out of touch with most of reality. But, he doesn't feel the need to be censored. And to people who haven't spoken out due to fear of reprisal, this is an admiral characteristic. He gives them validation.

So yeah, political correctness is retarded.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by antisthenes » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:29 PM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #112

AWildDHHAppears wrote: post #111

Interesting. For projects that don't need a "community" we've been using Amazon CodeCommit. We don't like to use Github anymore because of the politics there. Example: We had a project involving software filters that included this sentence in the description: > Phase is related to time, but a pure time delay does not involve any phase shift. A pure time delay or "group delay" is constant with frequency. Phase shift v…

We removed our project and never used github again. That seems like a totally disproportionate approach versus responding with a polite 'this is a legitimate use of the word, thanks' message.

No, it isn't.

A customer can choose to take their business elsewhere for whatever reason, at any time. I mean you can speculate as to whether it was disproportionate or not, but the only determinant here whose opinion matters is the paying customer.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by mildbow » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:30 PM UTC

akitaonrails wrote: post #116

AWildDHHAppears wrote: post #111

Interesting. For projects that don't need a "community" we've been using Amazon CodeCommit. We don't like to use Github anymore because of the politics there. Example: We had a project involving software filters that included this sentence in the description: > Phase is related to time, but a pure time delay does not involve any phase shift. A pure time delay or "group delay" is constant with frequency. Phase shift v…

This was also one important reason why I am switching. The price, the enjoyment of hacking are primary reasons, but the politics pathway bothers me as well.

I know HN frowns upon "me too!" comments.

But ..

Me too!

I now use gitlab for my company and haven't noticed a difference.

I want my git host to worry about hosting git.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by atomi » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 7:31 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #160

I posted before[0] about why I moved to gitlab; I'm using a self-hosted instance and the only real complaint I have is resource consumption. But if you bite the bullet a bit it's a really great product. The other thing would be "ease of deployment" or lack thereof- if you're going for anything other than omnibus installs or docker images then it can be a bit painful. (I wanted to run on freebsd for example). But, yes…

Last time I tried Gitlab, I changed the setting to allow more than 10 projects for each user but the changes never took place. So I stuck with Gogs which is much much faster anyway.