A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

Post by aagha » Mon, May 16, 2016, 2:58 PM UTC

aluhut wrote: post #68

cm3 wrote: post #5

The CIA is the reason for most of the unstable regions and it's hard to understand how after messing with other places and making it worse for everybody but weapons manufacturers, they're still doing the same thing over and over. Previously it was the fight against Communism, now Islam, I wonder what it will be in 2020. Middle-east, Asia, South America, all are right to be very angry with the CIA, but turn it into a…

I just wait until they mess with China. This way the economy may put enough pressure to hit it so it hurts. I lost all hope for the general public since Snowden. But just like with all the other agencies in the US, I don't believe they'll be gone fast. They know to much ;)

Post by qntty » Mon, May 16, 2016, 11:29 PM UTC

patrickaljord wrote: post #292

qntty wrote: post #278

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I think managing a factory counts as working in it (working in the office rather than on the floor). With respect to the idea that there should be no private property, it seems to me that there's no reason that this implies that a factory should be managed by factory workers. By all means hire managers to manage the factory, it's what they're best at. But managing a factory (i.e. being the person that coordinates the…

That wouldn't work though. Factory workers from a competing factory would attract the best managers by offering them more money or complete control and ownership because they know the factory would have way more profit and therefor more money for the workers this way. And then you're back to private property because it turns out its the most efficient way to get things done.

Post by patrickaljord » Tue, May 17, 2016, 10:58 AM UTC

qntty wrote: post #293

patrickaljord wrote: post #292

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That wouldn't work though. Factory workers from a competing factory would attract the best managers by offering them more money or complete control and ownership because they know the factory would have way more profit and therefor more money for the workers this way. And then you're back to private property because it turns out its the most efficient way to get things done.

Who would enforce their private control in a society where there is no legal concept of private property?

Post by jdimov9 » Fri, May 20, 2016, 6:45 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #279

maxlybbert wrote: post #204

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> In practice yes, but not in theory, which is an important distinction. Communism is an economic system that falls apart in practice because of greed. An economic system that fails to account for greed is not good, even in theory.

If someone said "let's go communist", you would have to argue with them why it was a bad idea. A reasonable proposition that turns out not to be a good idea. If someone said "let's kill the Jews", you would probably slowly and carefully walk away from that person because they were nuts. An unreasonable proposition that you probably don't want to bother arguing against (because what kind of person would even say that?…