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That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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But worth does come from possessions. Your worth is based on the opinion of other people, and they judge you based on what you have and what your job title is.

Financial worth comes from your net worth, yes. But your worth as a human being isn't related to any of that.

I hear this a lot, but the evidence indicates that the majority of humanity judge a person's worth on their assets, money and job title. Sometimes, physical appearance as well.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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You are right that iOS could solve pain points for some of these customers, but then THAT is how Apple should sell people on it. That's what their marketing of old was like. Insulting those people does no one any good. Most likely the people running the types of PCs you speak of do not even know any better. I'm sure a large percent of the PC users are content also. It's not like iOS is some magic piece of software. I…

I used to have an 11" MacBook Air of a similar age. It broke so I was about to buy a new one before I discovered that they still don't have retina displays and have a very small amount of ram. They quoted such a high price for repairs that I was able to purchase a Chromebook with 4GB of RAM and an Intel NUC with 16GB of RAM for the same amount. Both are running Linux, and I'm very happy.

For some reason I had never heard of the NUC. Just looked it up and it's incredible for the price. F* the Mac Mini! Thank you very much for mentioning the NUC!

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Schiller wasn't talking about you. He qualified it as people using PCs that are more than 5 years old. They have usage patterns and goals completely different than anyone on HN. They don't use IDEs. They don't need "full Unix power" or anything similar. Their usage probably looks like web browsing, sending/receiving email, and listening to music at most. For them, an iPad is a probably a good functional alternative,…

Then why call it "Pro"

It could be branding? Just like most people don't like a "basic" offering.

I could be "Pro" doesn't just mean the "professional software developers" and could mean any kind of professional?

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Even those tasks are irritating on an iPad - outside of the limited multitasking, viewing multiple things at once is impossible. I can't look at an email and reference a website linked in it. I can't look at a few websites while composing an email. Comparing multiple travel booking sites side-by-side? Nope. If I try switching back and forth, the iPad has probably unloaded one of the tabs in the meantime due to memory…

Modern iPads have something called “Split View”, where you can have two apps open and active at the same time. Only two, though, but it mostly solves this problem.

That is the "limited multitasking". You're limited to two, your ability to view information is arbitrarily limited by the application displaying that information.

Want to view two emails side-by-side? Use two emails apps, I guess.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Cheap phones are actually in the $60 price range. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Prevail-White-Mobile/dp... http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Lumia-640-Annual-Contract/dp/B01...

I thought those where locked/discounted phones. First is: Boost (67.99), or Sprint prepaid (104$) Second is: AT&T Go Phone only. But, it looks like you can get a new unlocked smartphone for 60$. http://www.amazon.com/BLU-Advance-5-0-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp...

If you're willing to order from places like AliExpress, try E.g. here's one that ships to the UK for $31.58: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Blackview-BV2000S-Mo...

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Was going to say this. If you are legitimately poor, you can get a used Moto G 2013 for $35 and activate it on Freedompop for some free data each month and use wifi wherever possible. That would be a phone on a budget. iphones are absolutely just for prestige, the same way Macbooks in universities are.

If you're poor and don't want everyone around you to know it, why would you buy the phone that screams "hey, I'm poor and got the cheapest possible phone!" Everyone has something they do to stand out from the people that surround them. It's cruel to suggest that folks living in poverty can only be deserving of assistance if they embrace their poverty and advertise it to the world. There are real costs to appearing po…

I think you're raising the phone to a much higher level of importance than it truly holds. The fact of the matter is that if someone can afford a brand new iPhone6, they don't deserve any help buying food because they spend a huge chunk of available food money on an expensive luxury. It must be torturous to use a phone you can actually afford!

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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I understand why someone would feel this way but the unreconcilable reality is this: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

The majority of those machines Apple is "mocking" are running operating systems that have known exploits in the wild and people are doing their personal banking on them. The shitty, stuck up delivery doesn't change the fact that it actually would be better and more private for people to dump their unsupported windows xp/vista/7 boxes and use an iPad Pro. Then, at least, they'd have a semblance of security.

I'm not even willing to say that Apple didn't intend to mock the poor but the facts remain regardless of delivery or intent. I think we can agree that for the majority of the people we're talking about here, "They don’t need an upgrade" is simply not the case.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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But now they've got Liam the robot http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/apple-unveils-liam-iphone-recycling...

Do they expect us to believe that the parts will be reused, like it is implied in the video? Of course not, there is not chance the parts will match the next model and even if they do they would have to undergo inspection and testing. That is way to expensive and time consuming. Instead they will be melted into raw components, which is not shown in the video. What will happen in reality is the phone will go into a in…

They talk about harvesting the raw metals and elements in the video... The hard part in ewaste recycling isn't collecting the devices, it's breaking them down into their isolated components. The robot's aim is to do that instead of a shredder so that they can have a much higher re-use rate.

http://mashable.com/2016/03/21/apple-liam-recycling-robot/

And of course this is also a project to have a robot do the reverse--assemble iPhones.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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> mercilessly sucked into the Google cloud. Hyperbole much? >Some of that is disguised as perfectly innocent and helpful features: contacts syncing, back-ups, connecting more easily to WiFis, etc. Disguised? Um... That's how those features work . Your personal information is a currency that you have to budget. Want timely weather information in your location? Guess what? You have to spend a little location currency t…

What an aggressive answer. Should I come back in a few hours when everyone's had time to cool off? I don't have anything against these features per se, but I can't help but notice when it's almost imposssible to turn them off and dark patterns are used to guide customers onto certain paths where more data is shared. Then one starts to wonder for whose benefits are the features developed. You are commiting an error wh…

Aggressive? How? My hyperbole comment? How could I not call you out for that?

I in no way said privacy was solely in the hands of the customer. I said your personal data is a currency that the customer must budget. That is not the same thing.

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