I expect Le Pen to win soon. You leftists who ignored Islam being incompatible with the western world can pat yourself.
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my years and travels, I've settled on the fact that the only solution to those "assholes" that destroy community fabric is overwhelming force. You cannot reason with someone who has nothing to lose.
Which suggests an alternative (partial) solution: make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society.
This was actually successfully done. I'm having trouble finding the article, but basically a terrorist group (perhaps in Palestine) had trained some men specifically to be some of their most dedicated and zealous terrorists. However, the situation changed and they found that they no longer needed these zealots and had no idea what to do with them. So they held a mixer where the terrorists got to meet potential brides, and basically said that if they promised to live a normal life, they'd receive some financial compensation to get started on that normal life. All of the trainees ended up getting married and having families, and lost all desire to commit terrorist acts.
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#293What can we in tech do to help with this kind of situation?
Unfortunately tech has made it easier for terrorism to recruit more terrorists, spread hateful messages and send secure encrypted messages across the world to plan attacks like this. I am so saddened by this situation with a powerful IS which wants to remove our freedom and change the world into an extreme muslim one. We must remember not to spread hate towards all the peaceful muslims.
Growing pains, people were angry before tech. Now that the world is connected we have to deal with these problems.
One thing is for sure, marginalizing and discriminating even more is not a solution.
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#294Gee, I wonder when they will finally tell us that the ones responsible are in fact, islamic terrorists. Mark my words HN, this is just the beginning. I wonder when things like this will happen in other European countries. Germany is a likely candidate, as we are currently mass-importing the potential terrorist candidates. And now, I'll just wait for the downvotes I guess.
To call families fleeing war "potential terrorist candidates"... Can you see how this is an extremely broad, lazy generalization? What really supports this comparison, other than their religion and colour of their skin?
To the parent's point, support for this generalization comes from the very odd fact that fully 75% of the composition of the refugee families are men, with women and children comprising 12% and 13%, respectively.
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#295Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.
The point of terrorism is to provoke a reaction. To quote the German RAF terrorist Ulrike Meinhof on the subject: "A war 6 against 60 million can not be won. All we [the terrorist] can do, is to tear down the mask of democracy and expose the fascist face of the state." So what is damaging is not the terror itself, what damages the social fabric is the overreaction. Terrorists should just be tried like other criminals…
> Terrorists should just be tried like other criminals, not given the reaction they want.
Exactly, and very important, not given the platform they want, the media are very much a part of this as well.
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#296What can we in tech do to help with this kind of situation?
The tech useful for preventing these situations is exactly the kind that's frowned upon in civil liberties circles.
surveillance is not a solution to the problem it merely suppresses it.
Treating symptoms is never as useful as treating the underlying cause.
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#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only because people let it. There is little danger form actual terrorism, but there is massive danger from people's reactions to terrorism.
I think you'd feel differently if you had a loved one in the towers on 9/11
I have no idea what your point is. If I lost a loved one to a vending machine accident, I might develop a really irrational fear of vending machines. It doesn't mean vending machines are a threat to our society.
I know someone who is deadly afraid of putting shoes on tables. Because her friend did that before dying in a traffic accident.
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#298Right... Well while you live in that Utopia of yours, large groups of Sunni fanatics are currently commuting genocide against non Sunni. How much % of Muslims should think killing apostates is okay until you deem it incompatible with France liberal policies. It's because of dhimmis like you that Le Pen is winning. Wake up and smell your ashes. Edit: someone really needs to look up what Dhimmi means before they actual…
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#299Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.
I live in greece, but france is my country and I haven't heard back from my sister who lives around there. I know the odds are she's fine, but there's still the doubt in my mind.
It certainly feels different when you feel affected. You want to be reactionary. You want to have a knee-jerk reaction. Maybe I now understand why people are so quick to try to blame the issue on a certain cause.
But inside me I've spent my time fighting against this. I know that those attacks are not done "just for fun", they are driven by what makes them so effective: The fear they instill. The panic. The people who want to start putting the blame on a marginalized group that is prone to violence by their own situation.
Part of me wants to elaborate, but another part of me feels too sick to actually write more about this. I just want to go to bed, forget it happened.
I would like to ask the HN community to please not be reactionary about it. Please don't be xenophobic. Please don't marginalize groups.
And I have actually only seen one comment talking about car accidents, in a very different light than what you imply... so add to that, please don't make shit up.
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#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
To call families fleeing war "potential terrorist candidates"... Can you see how this is an extremely broad, lazy generalization? What really supports this comparison, other than their religion and colour of their skin?
To the parent's point, support for this generalization comes from the very odd fact that fully 75% of the composition of the refugee families are men, with women and children comprising 12% and 13%, respectively.
I personally don't like this argument. It is not surprising that young men will go first and let their families come safely after. Not all of Syria is a war zone after all.