Meet Model X

Post by doczoidberg » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 5:47 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #183

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Roughly estimated carbon production of manufacturing (I got these numbers from a german discussion, one source for battery carbon production is: http://www.focus.de/auto/experten/duennes/oekobilanz-von-ele... ): ------------------------------------------ VW Polo GTI: 2 tons BMW M5: 2,5 tons BMW I3: 4 tons Tesla Modell X 13 tons Manufacturing + 100.000km: -------------------------- BMW I3 -> 9,6 tons VW Polo GTI -> 18…

It's not fair to compare the Model X to a Sedan. Do you have numbers for other SUVs? Remember the idea here is that it's assumed you'll be buying a car already. Also, even if the total lifetime carbon was equal, it's still better to buy a vehicle that produces all that carbon in localized places where it could possibly be captured instead of all over crowded urban areas.

Post by mikeash » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 5:48 PM UTC

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I really doubt the H1 is safer than the Model X. Just because it's big and strong doesn't mean it's safe. On what basis do you make that statement? I'm having trouble finding much info on the Brabus 800 G, but from what I can dig up it looks like it does 0-60 in 4.2 seconds with a top speed of 155MPH. Model X P90D with ludicrous upgrade does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds with a top speed of 155MPH. Most capable is a vague term…

Thanks for responding and I'll chime in. I'm using the 8,100 pound vehicle weight of the H1 as an off-the-cuff reference point in physics, because in practical terms, yes, bigger tends to be safer in the real world. If somebody can find the NHTSA numbers for the H1 that'd be relevant to clearing that up. Oh, and I'm talking about the military converted version that was road legal, not the GM product. Until we get the…

Post by tantalor » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 5:56 PM UTC

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Except how is it generating positive internal pressure without storing compressed air somewhere?

It could heat the air on the inside, so that it expands :-)

Post by jkestner » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 6:13 PM UTC

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Cool thing is, they could actually claim "safe" in a bigger sense of the word that most companies do not. Zero emissions is safer for everyone over the long term. I'd want to see a cradle-to-grave carbon footprint analysis first, though.

Personally, I'm much more impressed by the crash safety than stuff like emissions. It's hard to get people to care about emissions. But almost everyone has been in a car crash at some point. Most people know someone who has been killed or severely injured in one. What makes Tesla remarkable is that their EVs aren't just good EVs, they're good cars . Previous EVs were basically sold as, "Well, this is kind of a crap c…

Post by josefresco » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

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In all seriousness, how does the Model X improve buckling your kids over a sliding minivan door? Never had trouble with this, I've owned a car, truck, SUV and minivan with young kids. Biggest headache? The kids buckling themselves. The seatbelt always locks (they pull too fast), the buckles get smushed into the seat bench, and before you know it I have exited the car, just to help them put it altogether.

Out of curiosity, how tall are you? I think he said a big part of the problem with minivans is that you can hit your head on the roof while trying to lean in to snap the buckles. With the falcon wing doors, the roof flips up too. Obviously if you are blessed to be average height, that may not be a problem for you. As a tall person, I am excited that Elon is tall and getting them to consider the problems of not being…