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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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This is priceless http://i.imgur.com/3uNsIF2.png

The final act of HTML5 delusion - it becomes "ready" because we say it's "ready". It's just someone forgot to ask Flash (game) developers' opinion. Not that it matters, right?

It's 2015. Nobody gives a shit about flash games in their browser.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #235

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> If you run the popular browsers/plugins against the National Vulnerability Database... That's misusing statistics, you can't determine how secure something is by just summing up the number of vulnerabilities - equally weighing/comparing browsers with a plugin etc. By the way, Apple's opinion on Flash in 2010: Third, there’s reliability, security and performance. Symantec recently highlighted Flash for having one of…

Flash is blocked on Apple devices due to business reasons, nothing more.

Sure, and one of those business reasons is keeping bloated, buggy software that is ill-suited to mobile devices away from their phone's user experience.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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I know but I would be very surprised if the DOM model was entirely responsible for the performance hit.

it is by far the largest preformance drain in pretty much any dynamic website.

So retrofitting arbitrary layouts onto a ~text document specific one is that much an error. In hindsight I find it fantastic how web pages became the basis infrastructure of all this UX reinvention.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Sounds nice, but sometimes I'm on a page in Safari (with Click To Flash active) and I can't get a page to load at all after "clicking to flash" once. I think there must be some additional flash file that I don't get the chance to click or some moment that passed so it can't load.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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actionscript (the flash programming language) is pretty much the same as javascript, the main reason why flash is often a lot faster than html+js things in a browser is it is not constrained to a slow, broken DOM for building uis.

I know but I would be very surprised if the DOM model was entirely responsible for the performance hit.

I think the answer is probably Tamarin[1] which started life as Flash's ActionScript engine and has since been donated to Mozilla. The Flash Player has also had direct GPU support for graphics and video for many years.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarin_%28software%29

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

When is the formal EOL for Firefox? It's my primary browser, but some people hate it, so just thought I'd ask when the EOL for Firefox is? Flash is never blocked for me in Firefox and never will be. Because a few months back I did this: 1. about:config 2. extensions.blocklist.enabled - 'false' Job done. No more Mozilla annoyances between me and the content I wish to access. And yes, it was an annoyance because the li…

> I like Flash when it's done well. Raw performance and efficiency is one of the things I like about it.

This is some comedy gold.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

What made Flash so fast ? was it direct unsafe access to the metal or was there some black magic in their code ?

I don't know that it's particularly faster than what can/could be accomplished with svg + JavaScript ...

I think most of the speed as a plugin vs native html/svg/js is that you don't have the whole DOM to deal with (including reflows, etc), and that their ActionScript is a much smaller subset of a language than JS in the browser, AS3 changed things a bit though. Today with canvas and an audio api that mostly works, you can get the same.

What I really wish is that Adobe would create Flash-level tooling with outputs for HTML/canvas/js/web-audio and video.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #140

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Isn't this like a huge security risk?

Why? Copy FROM clipboard would be, sure. Copy TO clipboard... OK, I can come up with scenarios where it'd be a problem, but they're pretty far-fetched.

Well there are attacks in the vein of this: https://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

When is the formal EOL for Firefox? It's my primary browser, but some people hate it, so just thought I'd ask when the EOL for Firefox is? Flash is never blocked for me in Firefox and never will be. Because a few months back I did this: 1. about:config 2. extensions.blocklist.enabled - 'false' Job done. No more Mozilla annoyances between me and the content I wish to access. And yes, it was an annoyance because the li…

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