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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by jusssi »

serf wrote: post #210
jordigh wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only reason HNers are pulling out the DMCA is because another project is (unethically or not) using their names to raise funds in a way that they do not permit. And what does that have to do with the digital millenium copyright act? Using a name without permission in a way that can confuse consumers is a trademark violation, not a copyright violation. It's horrible that the DMCA has turned into a generic weapon…

>It's horrible that the DMCA has turned into a generic weapon in legal online warfare. agreed, and it sucks that the DMCAs most vocal 'anti-group' (techies) is resorting to such threats so quickly.

Bad legislation only sucks when you're at the wrong end of it.

Also, pushing misuse of bad legislation "to the max" might be the fastest way to get it fixed.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by aaronmusk »

It's a bit sad and annoying to see educated people with uneducated opinions on something that is as clear as my command line. The guys are not impersonating anyone nor taking any money from anyone. Google is opt-out tool and I don't see anyone complaining. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people bringing extra attention to someone's project and if contributors are going to make money in the process, that's epic.

Yes, they probably should have emailed contributors less often but they've fixed it. Instead of complaining, come up with ideas to make it better... in the end, that's what this kind of community should be all about.

BTW, get your ego's checked... seems like it's a bit inflated... and if you are going to sue anyone, think about your federal income tax... because that money is actually stolen from you :P

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by joshuak »

Ologn wrote: post #220
jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

> If Bitcoin does fail, a large part of the blame will be one the shoulders of so many software and IT people who make a flash decision that Bitcoin was "tulips" or a "ponzi scheme" Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. That people think they have any value shows they have a fundamental misunderstanding of value. This group might include a lot of people, but the number of people who owned over-priced houses in 2008, or dot-com…

It is not theoretical that bitcoin holds value, that is a fact. That it shouldn't, or won't at some point in the future is the theory.

Reality does not yield to arguments of the contrary.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by lotsofmangos »

arsenische wrote: post #197
keithpeter wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

soliciting contributions in UK. Moot point as to how someone else soliciting a contribution on your behalf without your permission is seen. I think that people who set Web services up really need to think about what territory the service is designed to operate in and which legal system(s) they have the time and resources to examine.

we are not collecting or soliciting a contribution on someone's behalf.

"Donate bitcoins to open source projects or make commits and get tips for it."

"How does it work?

People donate bitcoins to projects. When someone's commit is accepted into the project repository, we automatically tip the author."

from here - https://tip4commit.com/

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Yes you are.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by GhotiFish »

could someone explain the problem me? I'm not 100% on this service, and I'm not sure I follow the issues here (are they skimming from donations? Is that the problem? Most charities do...)

he says tip4commit is profiting off their project, but, it seems like they're just storing the money till the dev claims it, if he wants it.

Alternatively, what if I were to hypothetically state the following?:

  I will give the dev who contributes a pull requests that fixes
  this issue: https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1092 
  10 dollars.
Have I commited an unfair act? Have I violated mitsuhiko in some way? Is the dev that claims this 10 dollars immoral? is mitsuhiko harmed?

I am honestly assuming I'm missing the intricacies here. Could someone explain?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by jchrisa »

art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

The non-sketchy version of this would only accept tips for repos that had a bitcoin address committed to a well-known location in their repo. And it would send the tips directly to that address. No possibility of scamming, and opt-in by its nature.

Is there already something like this?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by grkvlt »

I really don't understand the hate and anger that seems to be being directed at the developer, in particular the constant stream of assertions that the project is a scam, fraudulent, and created with the intent of cashing out with everyone's donations after pretending to be 'hacked'. It seems like this sort of accusation is more likely to be a cause for legal action _by_ @arsenische rather than the flimsy pretexts for legal action _against_ them. The developer seems to have created this during a hackathon as a fun little project demonstrating what can be achieved using the GitHub APIs and Bitcoin; I'm quite impressed at the end result, to be honest. I don't have any real need for the service, since my employer pays for me to work on open source projects anyway, but if I was wanting to raise beer money from a side-project I don't see any reason not to consider it. As for the opt-in mechanism, it looks like they have resolved most of the issues, and many of the complainants have never interacted with the project until reading about it here - the number of complaints about SPAM and assertions of illegality are amazing, all from people who have never received an email from tip4commit. These days it seems laughable to complain about unsolicited email - perhaps it was a problem in the days of USENET when messages cost real money to deliver over expensive leased lines and dial-up connections, but today with filtering and cheap bandwidth it makes no sense...

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by GhotiFish »

eordano wrote: post #82
gerbal wrote: post #13

I'm confused to why this project is a good idea. It seems like they are collecting funds on behalf of a third party without that third parties consent and then distributing those funds, again without third parties knowledge or consent. As much as the project seems to have good intentions, insisting that It's BitCoin, BitCoin is different doesn't mean your product is actually exempt from rules and law. Or that Bitcoin…

I think that the project is a bad idea because you can't impersonate me and take donations in my name without my consent, no matter which currency is being used.

Can you explain how they have given that impression? I still don't fully understand what's going on here, but my first impression (Which seems to be the issue you have, that they are masquarading or implying that they are operating on behalf of the developer) is that they let people put bounties on bugs.

That means they are independent and third party and in no way necessarily affiliated with the project. I understood that right from the start, but I only have a 3rd person perspective on this, are the private messages different?

Could you go into more detail on your position?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by bithive123 »

jafaku wrote: post #234
bithive123 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your stupid analogy aside, you can't expect to avoid consequences because you were operating without a knowledge of the law. Stand in front of a judge and ask him if you should have guessed that X was illegal and see how far that gets you.

"you can't expect to avoid consequences because you were operating without a knowledge of the law" Are you serious? I can't expect to avoid consequences for the crazy laws that get passed in other countries? I won't stand in front of any judges of your backwards country, I have enough with my own.

Transactions are subject to the laws governing all parties, your convenience is not the issue.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by GhotiFish »

natch wrote: post #176
arsenische wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I assumed "the project" meant that the tip goes back into a general pool still dedicated to the particular project the tip was originally designated for. This interpretation is correct

If by now you don't understand that this project is a bad idea, you are going to get a reputation of being not intelligent. That's not a good reputation for a coder. Why is it a bad idea? Maybe people have already stated the reasons. And you (wrongly) think you have effectively refuted them. You are being, to choose a mild word, dense. Sometimes it's best to just look at how mad you are making people, and draw your c…

wohhhh, that's pretty hostile don't you think?

I've being reading through this whole debacal myself, and I haven't seen any good reasons so far.

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