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Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by JetSpiegel »

DannyBee wrote: post #230
MichaelGG wrote: post #221

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What's the mindset that ends up with Chrome going out of its way to swap OK/Cancel when you enable DNT? (I don't think DNT is a real solution, but I'd guess Google wants to be able to point to data showing users don't enable it.) What's the mindset behind the broken permissions on Android? Where any app that wants to change behavior when you get a call must request permission to your IMEI and calling/called number? O…

"What's the mindset behind the broken permissions on Android? Where any app that wants to change behavior when you get a call must request permission to your IMEI and calling/called number? Or why the broken, upfront, all or nothing model is still even used?" At the time android created its permissions model, most of these issues were not obvious, or it would have been done differently. Remember, of course, that prio…

This is a lie, I have a Nokia with the S40 OS and Java apps can't just do anything they want, particularly sensitive thing like accessing contacts and making internet connections.

In fact, if your app isn't signed by Nokia, you can't let an app make a request without nagging you for permission. This totally kills homebrew.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by alex_duf »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #181
omeid2 wrote: post #167

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I am actually still going back and forth between chrome and firefox and it's design was something that was holding me back, specially in a stacking window. Now looking at this I looked through themes and found Simple White[1] something that way out dones chrome and et all in sexy factor. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simplewhite/

I would like it if something like that was the default and never changed. They seem to keep trying to jump on whatever style is popular when they start a redesign but by the time it appears in a release version it's way out of date. The developer tools are even worse in this regard, they're not even consistent with the rest of the browser. Themes are much better suited to keeping up with trends, the default should be…

well styling is always a matter of personal opinion. I don't think Mozilla should spend time on theming it's developer tools as long as it's readable and usable.

For the main theme, as long as it's customizable to satisfy the 5% of grumpy people I'm fine with that. The other 95% just doesn't care.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by lkbm »

jfoutz wrote: post #112
miket wrote: post #58

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Don't forget that a large chunk of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/21/mozillas-reliance-g...

Isn't it actually whoever will pay the most to be the default search? I mean, I <3 google search, but i'd bet microsoft could pony up quite a bit of cash as well.

No, the policy is that they will use the best search, and take the money from whomever that is.

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Post by alex_duf »

josteink wrote: post #189
miket wrote: post #58

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Don't forget that a large chunk of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/21/mozillas-reliance-g...

> Don't forget that a large chunk of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google I'd love to support Mozilla as much as possible, but no way I'm keeping the default Google-search when you have stuff like DDG around. Hopefully me wanting privacy doesn't impact Mozilla's financials too hard. Firefox + DDG only seems like the most natural combination: both are powerful and privacy-centric.

Plus it doesn't forbid people to make a donation to support the software they like right ? That's what I do, knowing FFx isn't making any money from me, and knowing that I'm using years and years of development is a good enough reason for me.

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Post by newscracker »

sireat wrote: post #149
unicornporn wrote: post #124

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Try Startpage.com instead of Ddg. It will give you the the same results as Google, but with the privacy features of Ddg.

Startpage appears to have been around a while and seems relatively open. However, how does Startpage make money? In fact, how does DDG plan to make money?

Startpage shows text ads (similar to how Google Search ads used to be long ago). And it claims not to record the IP address [1].

[1]: https://startpage.com/eng/protect-privacy.html

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by BorisMelnik »

Kliment wrote: post #148
BorisMelnik wrote: post #132

Love hearing this. I have been a Firefox user since Netscape 5, if that makes sense. To me there might be some positives about Chrome but for me it is a culture / community issue. It is a foundation I am willing to support during the good times and bad, and I am not so hot about giving Chrome access to every keystroke I make. While this may sound petty, one feature I'd really love to see come back in Firefox is the a…

right-click on the page and you have a refresh button right where your pointer is

good call on that! did that get added within the last major version or two?

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by newscracker »

MichaelGG wrote: post #161
m_mueller wrote: post #121

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I find duckduckgo quite usable for commonplace CS things such as programming in popular languages. For more obscure things I usually just enter g! [query] into my URL bar, so it will revert to an anonymous google. I find this better even just for the fact that I don't get the filtered down view of the world anymore - if there are things named similarly than the ones I use in the world, I want to know, so I can adjust…

Really? I tried to use DDG, I really did. But the results are just so subpar unless it was a simple "navigational" type search where I knew exactly what I was looking for. I really want to quit Google. I'd even pay for it. But they just dominate by such a large margin.

In my usage over the last few years, I've come to rely on StartPage for good search results (since it's a proxy for Google). While DDG has improved over time, it still is nowhere close enough to be a Google replacement for me. I end up doing searches on DDG only to repeat the same on startpage.com to get better results. DDG still does not have time based search (where you can search for results in the past day, week, month, etc.), which is a huge disadvantage for me.

I do use both StartPage and DDG, although it's more like a 80%-19% split between these two. The remaining 1% is still on Google to get things like news, and Self-Destructing Cookies [1] helps keep things clean on that front.

[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destruct...

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Post by newscracker »

fastball wrote: post #273
MichaelGG wrote: post #39

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Same here. Especially as Google becomes more and more evil, Chrome looks less attractive. Even on mobile, I use FF, despite it needing a lot of work and having a lot of rendering and input issues. And Chrome on Android looks very sexy. On desktop, FF is fine, once more. Rust is also one of the most promising languages with a potentially massive impact on the world. Not only safer software, but exposing more programme…

Do you really think Google is evil? One of the co-founders is still the CEO. He is one of the world's wealthiest men. He doesn't need the money and I doubt he feels the need to put shareholders first. Why would he let Google stray from an ideal he ascribed to previously? Has he been corrupted by having more money than he could possibly spend?

Beyond a certain point, power, influence and fame become bigger motivating factors than money. Additionally, competition from the likes of Facebook in diminishing the "value" of what Google (his "baby") provides could also motivate certain people to do all sorts of things. And on the topic of Google, one cannot forget the time when Eric Schmidt was the CEO.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by DannyBee »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #281
DannyBee wrote: post #230

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"What's the mindset behind the broken permissions on Android? Where any app that wants to change behavior when you get a call must request permission to your IMEI and calling/called number? Or why the broken, upfront, all or nothing model is still even used?" At the time android created its permissions model, most of these issues were not obvious, or it would have been done differently. Remember, of course, that prio…

This is a lie, I have a Nokia with the S40 OS and Java apps can't just do anything they want, particularly sensitive thing like accessing contacts and making internet connections. In fact, if your app isn't signed by Nokia, you can't let an app make a request without nagging you for permission. This totally kills homebrew.

This was the "pretty much" part. But even that permission model is really really simple.

MIDP 2.0 had permission domains. In practice, the permission domains were basically "want this app to let you do anything on your phone Y/N?" for a lot of phones.

In the specific case of S40, Nokia's security policy came into play in 6th edition feature pack 1, or so Nokia claims.

For fun, look at the deviations different carriers (and editions) have at http://developer.nokia.com/community/wiki/Java_Security_Doma...

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by bzbarsky »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #60
bzbarsky wrote: post #40

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1) Google never backed Firefox with a billion-dollar-a-year advertising campaign like they have Chrome for several years now. 2) It's not an accident that Google's webservices work best (sometimes only) in Chrome. They're way past the "disrupt IE" goal. They're into the "tightly couple our web service and Chrome and try to force out other options" goal.

> It's not an accident that Google's webservices work best (sometimes only) in Chrome. A web service that only works in Chrome? Maybe you mean web application (web service would be really odd to work in just one browser). Do you have a source for this regardless? I hadn't heard of this.

http://www.otsukare.info/2014/10/28/google-webcompatibility-... has a more complete rundown of the still-extant issues in case you're interested. The whole post is well worth reading, because it does say something important that needs to be said: there are many individuals at Google who believe in things like interoperability, web sites working in all browsers, etc, and strive for that (sometimes against internal opposition). It just happens that Google as an overall organization cares a lot more about its sites working in Chrome than it cares about them working in other browsers, with predictable results.
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