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Re: Plastc Card

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I'm pretty sure nfc can be passive, the e-ink display doesn't use energy when not changing, and the "touch screen digitizer" could just be a button that is actually a contact (i.e. most of the time the microcontroller is passive). Also, you could make the card thicker in areas where it doesn't matter (away from the stripe and the PIN

You can't, actually. Consider things like the ATMs that suck in the entire card, or things like Metrocard vending machines that require you to insert the credit card in a slot.

Cash machines have to deal with raised numerals. You could at least make it as thick as card + raised digits all over.

Re: Plastc Card

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If they don't mess up the implementation then it would appear to be more secure than traditional cards. Especially in places like Africa (I assume) and the US where Chip and Pin has yet to be rolled out. I appreciate the point you're making in that stealing this one card is equivalent to stealing a whole wallet-full. But isn't it usually the case that you lose the whole wallet in one go?

Actually, according to this worldwide map of card and terminal EMV deployment, Africa/ME had chip & pin tech, as of Q4 2013, in 38.9% of cards and 86.3% of terminals. http://www.emvco.com/images/EMVCo_WorldMap-9-2014.png The other regions are: (Region/percentage of cards/percentage of terminals) Americas (excluding USA): 54.2 84.7 Europe: 81.6 99.9 Australasia: 17.4 71.7 Russia: 24.4 91.2

That's fantastic! Thanks for the information and apologies for making assumptions (dangerous things!).

Re: Plastc Card

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post #198

Faked video. I downloaded it and went frame-by-frame and you can see the card display contents move around with changing margins. It's all CGI. Not that it's inherently wrong to do simulations, but this is notable because they don't include a "this is a simulation" disclaimer (AFAICS).

It was quite obviously either completely rendered, or rendered on top of an actual video. It felt like a plain commercial, with "cgi" added ontop of it for effect. I mean, no one expects little flying transparent windows to pop out the side of their card, do they? Of course not. So I don't think they were doing it surreptitiously, but merely to make a pretty "commercial" to sell their product.

Well, sure, but for a device that pushes some technological limits (a responsive touchscreen UI built into a credit card) I think seeing it in action is pretty important. So far all I know is what they want it to be like, which means little to me.

Re: Plastc Card

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post #16

They say this supports chip-and-PIN, but I don't believe them until they explain how. If I have a chip-and-PIN card from my bank, the chip has an unreadable secret used to generate one-time cryptograms to verify the authenticity of the card. There's no way to get that secret onto my Plastc card. You'd need partnerships with banks to get a new secret the way Apple Pay does. Without those, this sounds like it'll be use…

"Apple Pay" is not some new thing, it is EMV standard that is implemented by many "soft wallets" and this card will probably use this same standard to implement it

Re: Plastc Card

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I have a lot of cards. Between gift cards, loyalty cards, and credit cards, I have at least 20-30 that I'd like to carry on me. I end up leaving cards I don't use every day in my car (and am always paranoid about the valet as a result). I use a KeyRing app for loyalty cards, but it's a pain and requires me often typing numbers into things. I often find myself in a Starbucks, realizing I left the Starbucks gift card i…

This really is something I don't get. I have a pretty busy digital and real life, and I really can't think of having more than a couple of CC (one Credit, one debt), an EC Karte and maybe a couple of cards for gym membership and (in this very moment) H&M giftcard. Even Apple Pay strikes me as a solution looking for a problem. Maybe that's a fundamental difference between the U.S. and Europe, but I really don't get th…

That's five or six cards. Combined with cash, coins, and temporary things like tickets and receipts -- that's a lot!

Re: Plastc Card

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post #16

They say this supports chip-and-PIN, but I don't believe them until they explain how. If I have a chip-and-PIN card from my bank, the chip has an unreadable secret used to generate one-time cryptograms to verify the authenticity of the card. There's no way to get that secret onto my Plastc card. You'd need partnerships with banks to get a new secret the way Apple Pay does. Without those, this sounds like it'll be use…

"Apple Pay" is not some new thing, it is EMV standard that is implemented by many "soft wallets" and this card will probably use this same standard to implement it

WRONG. It is part of the new EMVco standard, but has NOT been implemented anywhere but Apple Pay at this time. There was years of prep with the banks and Apple to get this initial implementation.

Re: Plastc Card

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post #213

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I don't get how you can end up with so many cards, it's seems like a very american problem. I have 5 cards in my wallet: * Debit card and a Visa credit card: both with chip&pin and allowing me to do secure transaction on the internet * A public transport card: RFC, also allow me to rent bikes * An ID card, also with a chip&pin, allow me to sign documents and fill my taxes * An insurance card which is not even a magne…

I'm in your boat, BUT... You could also easily have 5 store credit cards (J. Crew, Banana Republic, etc.) for extra discounts, a few gift cards you haven't spent yet (Starbucks, Best Buy, etc.), an extra 3 credit cards (they have different promotions), a handful of loyalty cards for discounts (a couple supermarkets, three or four coffee shops, a couple of restaurants), various forms of ID and access cards (company, s…

I've never seen one of those gift cards in plastic forms. This seems indeed to be very american ;) Every gift card I ever got or bought was just a piece of paper. And my only store loyalty cards are actually from the US (although they exist here as well).

Re: Plastc Card

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Of course it is vaporware. They're trying to prove the market exists, sell the product up front, then go build it. Will it ever ship or be remotely as thin and svelte as this mockup? I'm guessing no, but if they pull it off, kudos.

This is what people usually use Kickstarter or Indiegogo for.

With the updated hardware rules (show a prototype, no photorealistic renderings), this isn't even kickstarter material.

https://www.kickstarter.com/rules/prototypes

Re: Plastc Card

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post #16

They say this supports chip-and-PIN, but I don't believe them until they explain how. If I have a chip-and-PIN card from my bank, the chip has an unreadable secret used to generate one-time cryptograms to verify the authenticity of the card. There's no way to get that secret onto my Plastc card. You'd need partnerships with banks to get a new secret the way Apple Pay does. Without those, this sounds like it'll be use…

They could be doing something else funny, like providing their own credit card info to the merchant via the chip and then just billing your credit card in the background, like how Google Wallet works...

Considering they have alerts when cards are used I think that's how it has to work...
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