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4K is for programmers

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Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by bhauer »

ciofeca wrote: post #273

A few weeks ago I got a brand new 27" 1920x1080 Asus display for some 200 bucks. Once at home, I realized it was a TV set without the TV receiver. This is the worst thing a programmer may ever buy. A programmer's monitor should have not only a fairly decent contrast, but also the darkest black possible. This thing, even at the lowest brightness/contrast/colours settings, outputs a lot of light (and its black is just…

> And -yes- that tsotech article just sucks.

It's just a blog entry. I'm not a journalist.

But thanks for the criticism. It's clear you and I just disagree about displays.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by Sssnake »

MetaCosm wrote: post #104

> Today, you can still buy a 30-inch 2560x1600 display for over $1,000. Or you can get a 39-inch 3840x2160 display for $500. This choice is not even fair. Yes, you can buy a wonderful, physically adjustable, mountable, color calibrated, blissful contrast, delightful brightness control monitor with a great matte finish like the Dell 3014... or you can buy an absolutely awful 30hz, locked in place, blue tinted, horribl…

>with a great matte finish

Isn't that an oxymoron? Why would you want an intentionally blurry screen?

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by Sssnake »

largote wrote: post #264
Torn wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing this out -- the article seemed to completely overlooked the panel quality and configurability. I'm personally really looking forward to a proper UHD/4K over 30" that does 144hz with GSync, which I can use as my main desktop monitor. It'll finally be a reason to upgrade from my old Dell Ultrasharp. The Asus PQ321Q is almost there, it's just limited to 60hz.

There's absolutely no difference from 60Hz to anything above it.

Haha, good one. Isn't trolling against the rules here though?

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by nkerkin »

MetaCosm wrote: post #248
jotm wrote: post #247

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Admittedly 30 Hz sucks and the colors are not up to par with an IPS panel, but overall the Seiki offer a great deal for the price. The brightness is great (only terrible if you like it really low ), the 112 pixel density is higher than on 2x23 inch monitors, for example; The colors can be calibrated from within the OS so it's not as much of an issue; And as the black levels - if you found them horrible, it may be bec…

30 Hz is awful. The brightness problem is blow out and bleed. It is "very bright" it is so bright that when doing any sort of calibration the whites bleed on everything. The contrast ratio is good due to the excessive brightness, which means the blacks still suck. Horrible highlights and horrible shadows. The calibration you can do in the OS is limited, as I said, I have two different sets of hardware equipment for c…

Reports indicate that the Dell 4k 28" will be 30Hz @ 4k also :(

The Lenovo Thinkvision Pro 2840m and Asus PB287Q have both been announced (60Hz @ 4k, US$799), but you might have to wait a couple of months for release.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by shiven »

MetaCosm wrote: post #184
leoc wrote: post #179

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Sad to say, for many programmers and other people who aren't AV types, the step up in resolution— plus the saving of over $500—is likely worth the dodgy colour and brightness. Many won't even really notice the badness. That said, some of the $600-ish mystery-meat 2560×1600 displays apparently have good display quality and so may be a stronger alternative to the Seiki.

At $500, there are FAR better monitors. Bad contrast, bad brightness, bad everything. If you buy your programmers this, buy them a years supply of pills to deal with the headaches it will induce. Again, this isn't like a "bad for picky art professionals" type of bad. Just awful, I wouldn't even sell it to anyone I knew personally because I knew it would come back to bite me.

At $500, there are FAR better monitors.

You keep repeating this as if it is some magic mantra. You have not defined any what "better" really means in manner that can be quantified and compared without introducing subjective opinions of a user.

Also, care to link to these "better" monitors, including sellers that sell these for the $500 price, as well as non-subjective reviews?

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by d23 »

MetaCosm wrote: post #230
bhauer wrote: post #204

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Thank you for the reality-check. I really do appreciate it and hope anyone reading my words reads yours as counterpoint. I had tried to be fair-handed with my judgment of the Seiki but I admit that my desire for large form-factor displays coupled with Seiki delivering one that I can actually afford clouds my judgment some. I want high-quality large displays and the incumbent manufacturers have left me in the cold for…

First of all, you can get the U3014 for around $1100, less on sale. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00C2RPW8O/ref=dp_olp... ... additionally, it is a "professional" monitor (X-Rite tie in, factory calibrated, etc) and will likely maintain a premium price as corporations are the target customers. Secondly, the Seiki is not a "good" monitor. It isn't even a "good" TV. The only thing Seiki has is pixel density a…

> Secondly, the Seiki is not a "good" monitor. It isn't even a "good" TV. The only thing Seiki has is pixel density and cheapness, it is awful in every other measurable way, without a doubt one of the worst panels I have ever purchased. I can't fathom how you can justify calling it "good". Excluding resolution -- can you even name a single thing you like about it, that you think is a cut above?

Do you have an ax to grind, or is this just typical HN pedantry?

The reviews on Amazon for this display is a solid 4.0 from 200+ reviews -- hardly the shite quality you seem to be suggesting. Given that the thesis of the article is that this would be great for programmers (i.e. not designers or the color obsessed), the fervor to which you're arguing the point seems misplaced.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by vinceguidry »

chrisrhoden wrote: post #252
MetaCosm wrote: post #250

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... Everywhere? There are literally 41 under $500 at 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 on Newegg right now. The QNIX was already linked in this thread by someone else ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2RY0X598... )

I was looking for your opinions on some great options, not trying to pick a fight.

Then why didn't you say that?

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by lukeschlather »

mentos wrote: post #216

> Several colleagues found the display shockingly bright and were frustrated that the brightness adjustment did not actually reduce the backlight intensity. In 2007 I had the idea to use my 28" flatscreen TV as a monitor, took me three days before I had terrible eye strain/migraines/light sensitivity.

Yeah, I have a beautiful little ASUS netbook (the newer ones that ship with Ubuntu) and its brightness ranges from reasonable to just barely on. It's fantastic being able to tune the brightness to the ambient light in the room (as well as save on battery life.)

I really don't care about 4K, I want a monitor that's got a wide range of brightness levels with the same integration with my Ubuntu workstation that that netbook has with its integrated screen. (I plug it in and the OS immediately knows how to communicate with the monitor to adjust the brightness based on a keystroke. )

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by lesserknowndan »

fdkz wrote: post #276
largote wrote: post #264

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There's absolutely no difference from 60Hz to anything above it.

Yes, there is. I have side-by-side 60Hz and 120Hz monitors, and window dragging for example on the 120Hz one is much much smoother (I had to buy a gaming mouse, because most normal mice won't update at more than 100Hz I think). And movies don't have this jerky motion where 60Hz doesn't quite exactly divide with 24 fps that movies use.

Well, in my day, when you moved a window all the computer showed was a grey square - no fps issues there.

Sorry, had to say it.

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