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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by wpietri »

obviouslygreen wrote: post #117
wpietri wrote: post #27

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I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

Men as a sex have had advantageous circumstances and treatment for a long time, yes. That has absolutely nothing to do with men who are alive today . Perhaps you're a male who's OK with being the subject of discriminatory treatment over centuries of gain you didn't get to live through. I'm not, and I don't think anyone should be. Unless two wrongs make a right, discriminating against people who have not been a party…

As a man who is, by all accounts, alive today, I still feel like I've gotten a pretty swell deal.

Just because I haven't been an active participant in discrimination doesn't mean I haven't been the recipient of unearned privilege.

I agree that two wrongs don't make a right. But I also believe that fixing the endemic sexism that's still with us is inevitably a messy process. And I believe people who have been victims of that have some very reasonable issues to work out along the way. I think everybody should try to be understanding. But as somebody who ended up getting a better deal than average, I think it's especially incumbent on me to be gracious, kind, and patient.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by onemorepassword »

Good thing this will never spread far beyond the US. Utterly illegal in most Western countries. It's not even a grey area, laws were written to prevent almost exactly this kind of thing.

Surprised they even tried to launch in the UK and had it running without getting sued or prosecuted.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by joyeuse6701 »

There were a lot of websites like this (anonymous gossip) when I was in college that would come up, get really popular and then someone would get a lot of flack, be emotionally traumatized, and the universities would petition for a take down. All it will take is one suicide to tear this app down.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by antimagic »

newnewnew wrote: post #256
erikpukinskis wrote: post #251

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Until we, as a society, can stop blaming women for their rapes (she was so sloshed, what did she think would happen when she got into bed with him?) women are going to be EXTREMELY conservative about these kinds of things. When it's your fault if he rapes you, you put "creepy" on a hair trigger.

so now a socially awkward attempt to start a conversation with a woman means you're a rapist...

No, not what the GP said. Simply put, women are overly cautious when evaluating men because they know that they are not very well protected by the law (in as much as the threat of punishment acts as a deterrent, an idea for which the jury is still out) when it comes to rape, so they have to protect themselves by using any little indicator to hint that they are in the presence of a pervert. This is not particularly fair to most men, but I don't know that asking women to assume more risk so that you have an easier time getting laid is very fair either.

Just in case you are unaware of this, most women I know and have discussed this with agree that social awkwardness in men is often correlated with inappropriate sexual behaviour, so yes, if you make an awkward attempt at conversation, you are probably going to get negatively labelled. May I suggest working on your social skills if this bothers you?

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Post by peterwwillis »

untog wrote: post #220
peterwwillis wrote: post #218

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Are you new here? Every time there's a story in any way relating to sexism, the community jumps on it like it's somehow a worthwhile conversation, when really everyone just wants to put their two cents in. Like me for example.

They really don't, though. A number of people jump on, then the thread gets flagged to death. Only when it's about women, though: http://tumbling.alastair.is/post/42050321362/why-are-posts-a...

Women are more often the victims, hence more stories about them, hence more discussion. I haven't seen a story yet about a guy who was a victim of sexism in this industry, but I also can't say the stories don't exist just because I haven't seen them.

What I have seen is public acknowledgement from pg that they delete stories that get voted up just because they feel like it. So the community doesn't necessarily get a say.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by mindstab »

BerislavLopac wrote: post #211
antr wrote: post #11

In recent times I've gotten the impression that their is a double standard going on regarding certain (not all) services and events that are only targeted to women. If this had been an app for men rating and alerting them about certain women all hell would of broke loose.

Which is nicely summed up in this image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/SxBdnmvo5xI/AAAAAAAABr...

like most models? many advertising agencies use minors on their "sexy" ads that are specifically targeted to arouse men of all ages. You just don't see it but men are all over younger girls.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by wpietri »

coldtea wrote: post #196
wpietri wrote: post #62

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You're doing it wrong. If you want to Godwin a thread, you actually have to mention Hitler or the Holocaust. Just making ridiculously over-the-top historical analogies isn't enough.

I'm the one doing it wrong? The parent mentioned that discrimination is OK because of "historical analogies" drawn from past centuries. I merely extended it to another domain for sarcasm's sake. Second, you DO know that "Godwin's law" is not an actual law that govern's discussions, and it's not even something that people agree on its validity, right? It's merely a BS internet meme, a funny quote used as a joke. Invok…

Hi! I do know about Godwin's Law. I even know Mike Godwin a little. And I'm invoking it as a reminder to avoid hysteria and outrageous hyperbole, which was the original point of his comment.

By the way, I didn't say that discrimination was ok, and I wasn't making a historical analogy. I was pointing out that our existing society is just emerging from that long history of sexism.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by jules »

untog wrote: post #220
peterwwillis wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you new here? Every time there's a story in any way relating to sexism, the community jumps on it like it's somehow a worthwhile conversation, when really everyone just wants to put their two cents in. Like me for example.

They really don't, though. A number of people jump on, then the thread gets flagged to death. Only when it's about women, though: http://tumbling.alastair.is/post/42050321362/why-are-posts-a...

There have been many more stories about sexism targeted at females than the reverse.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by StavrosK »

Evbn wrote: post #279
StavrosK wrote: post #46

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As the former CTO of that company, I really doubt this. When I was there, the app was built on Django, and I left some pretty competent people behind, so I'm quite sure they wouldn't have made a mistake so rudimentary. However, I don't know what happened after I left, so there might have been some dubious decisions.

This complacent overconfidence tells me that Lulu probably has major security holes that the staff refuse to look for.

How did you get this from that? I'm curious.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by Steuard »

tomjen3 wrote: post #239
Steuard wrote: post #100

I have two reactions to this, and I think most people who care about sexism in our society would agree with both: 1. From the sound of it, this is a horribly sexist product that dehumanizes men and reinforces traditional gender roles. I hope to one day see a world where an app like this couldn't exist because there would be no demand (and because everyone would be disgusted by the basic concept). 2. Actively opposing…

Yeah, lets blame the males, those horrible, horrible people who oppress women by being in prison, homeless or committing suicide (or, in the past, dying on the battlefields on Europe by the millions). Try to read a little more about how genders really work before you claim that men are the only oppressors: the top of society is mostly men, but so is the bottom. The survival rate of third-class female passengers on th…

I did not say "Men are oppressors" or "Blame men". I said, in a nutshell, "Blame our social structures that tend to favor men." There's a very real difference there in terms of the moral claims being made.

And yes, feminism is also concerned about the ways in which this social structure hurts men, very much so. It's just that the consensus is that it hurts women more, so today there are larger and more immediate gains to be made by spending more energy fixing those harms to women.

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