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Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

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I dont get it why someone would use Dropbox in the first place? Google Drive is out for a long enough and it never failed for me; it gives 150% more capacity for free (5gb) and its made by folks @ Google (hello?). Just don't see any reason why to use Dropbox...

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

#282

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What other time source would you propose using?

If you know you're on a network -- and Dropbox does -- then I'd fetch the time from a time server somewhere, perhaps Dropbox itself, or time.nist.gov. Of course, then you're at the mercy of the user's hosts file, I suppose. If the time is just used to check for certificate expiration, maybe nobody considers it worth worrying about. Which I guess is fine as far as it goes... but the other day I couldn't get Dropbox to…

Well. Chrome and Firefox won't let you log in to GMail, for instance. IE at least allows you to continue if you really want.

It's a common thing on school/university computers, where for various reasons, system time is always wrong and it requires Administrator privilenges to change it (I can't understand why).

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

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I'm assuming that you are transitioning from a different system TO the online backup. As they say, it's not a real backup until you test it, and you can't test it until it finishes.

In my particular case, no, sorry if I gave that impression. I have not seen anything yet that would compel me to use remote backup as my primary backup destination. Potential failures aside, it's slow in both directions. My local backup strategy is a collection of external --and these days inexpensive-- hard drives as well as a large rack-mount NAS RAID array. Each of about a dozen systems has it's own local external…

A full backup of about 600GB happens in --I think-- about three or four hours. That's the problem with remote backup, the same full image would require a third of a year on a typical DSL connection available in the US today. Actually, it could take twice as long, two thirds of a year, because you would have to interrupt your backup in order to get your bandwidth back for use during business hours. So, if it takes you nearly a whole year to backup this much data the whole thing is just-about useless as implemented. Your incremental backups are likely to take days and you can't even consider the idea of doing full images every thirty or sixty days.

The thing is, you don't need independent full backups within a single online backup provider, and they would probably deduplicate your backups anyway. Incremental backups work just fine, and will always get your data backed up that night unless you are the kind of person that generates many gigabytes of content in a single day.

I use Dropbox for team communications. I almost think of it as a really neat way to "FTP" stuff around.

Yeah, I can understand that. I was considering replying to one of your other posts with the comparison, but I didn't want to start too many thread at once. The problem is that when you use dropbox as a better FTP, you lose out on a lot of the benefits of syncing. No longer can you go to a different computer and pick up right where you were, if you didn't happen to copy in the files again since the last change. If you're sharing files with a coworker you no longer have any idea where the most recent version is. You don't have a full list of file versions. And your FTP-method of dropbox doesn't really have anything to do with backups. You could move files into the dropbox folder and then set it to be backed up every five minutes if you wanted to.

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

#284

I dont get it why someone would use Dropbox in the first place? Google Drive is out for a long enough and it never failed for me; it gives 150% more capacity for free (5gb) and its made by folks @ Google (hello?). Just don't see any reason why to use Dropbox...

Google has a longstanding history of severe corporate ADHD. I think a given startup's odds of long-term survival are better than the odds of a similar non-cord initiative surviving equally long inside Google.

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

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Shoot. I've been thinking of dropbox as my backup. Now I wonder what would qualify as backup considering I want it to be automated and preferably not require me to write to media like DVDs. (Time Machine seems to be doing the trick on the Mac side, although... having all the backup media connected to the machine it's backing up means it's susceptible to simultaneous deletion, as well not being offsite means it is sus…

Get Norton Ghost for your Windows setup. It works and is a no-brainer. Once a month do a full image on both Windows and OSX systems. Save the images to another backup drive and take that backup to a safety deposit box at your bank. If you want to be really paranoid, find a provider that offers fireproof storage for media. If you can't, go to your local storage facility and rent a small unit (maybe $30 to $75 per mont…

This is wildly inefficient and over kill for most people. Imaging my hard drives would require terabytes of storage when in reality my unrecoverable data is small enough to back up to Amazon for less than a dollar a month.

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

#286

Hey guys - Dropbox product manager here, tl;dr: The scenario described by the OP is now less likely to occur. Since October, individual Dropbox users are encouraged to create separate accounts when invited to a Team and warned that Teams admins will have control over the account. We want individual and Team Dropbox users to have the best possible experience. Some users want to migrate their personal accounts into a T…

tl;dr: The scenario described by the OP is now less likely to occur. Since October, individual Dropbox users are encouraged to create separate accounts when invited to a Team and warned that Teams admins will have control over the account.

I am going to be blunt here and just say it: the 'Team admins will have control over the account' part is completely stupid and not well thought through.

Becoming part of a team should be about sharing data. Not about handing over accounts.

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

#287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my particular case, no, sorry if I gave that impression. I have not seen anything yet that would compel me to use remote backup as my primary backup destination. Potential failures aside, it's slow in both directions. My local backup strategy is a collection of external --and these days inexpensive-- hard drives as well as a large rack-mount NAS RAID array. Each of about a dozen systems has it's own local external…

A full backup of about 600GB happens in --I think-- about three or four hours. That's the problem with remote backup, the same full image would require a third of a year on a typical DSL connection available in the US today. Actually, it could take twice as long, two thirds of a year, because you would have to interrupt your backup in order to get your bandwidth back for use during business hours. So, if it takes you…

Obviously there are a number of use patterns for Dropbox. I just don't use it as a "live" store. The whole concept scares me. As far as moving to another computer and having access to the latest files, I can always VNC into a machine or VPN into the network if I am outside.

I just couldn't bring myself to using it that way. Our files are our work product. There is no way I could consider having the only copies of the files connected to a service that could cause total loss of data. It is, in my world at least, an absolute non-starter.

With regards to the idea of sharing files with a coworker and not knowing where the latest files are, well, that's what Git is for, isn't it?

As a matter of principle I have a bad reaction to the idea of calling a data loss event "Another Dropbox horror story". And this has nothing to do with Dropbox or any other service. Dropbox is not responsible for your data. You are. If the data is important enough that total loss would be catastrophic, what are you doing placing all the eggs in one basket? It isn't a Dropbox horror story, it's a story about someone who didn't care enough about their data to safeguard it and then the blame is shifted towards whoever last held the data. That just ain't cool. I own my fuck-ups. It isn't fun, but I stopped blaming others for my crap a long time ago. In the end it works out better that way.

Does Dropbox have issues to fix? Sure. What piece of software doesn't. Knowing that software is imperfect is more of a reason to not, again, place your valuable eggs in one basket.

I have a feeling that there are a lot of young and inexperienced people surfing HN who have never lost anything of significance. They come across someone like me who calls bullshit when he sees it and is willing to stand for what is a solid position and they don't understand it. The only tool they have to express themselves is to mindlessly down-vote cargo-cult style. That's fine, with that approach they'll learn soon enough.

I don't know of anyone --not ONE person-- with say, twenty or thirty years of successful work in computing who would trust the only copy of their projects to any one service --no matter what they claim or how good they might be. Hell, most of these people, just like me, would not trust the only copy of their projects to any single device, local or not. Shit happens. And some of us have seen it happen and have had to clean-up the mess on more than one occasion. Eventually you learn.

I do love Dropbox, but they are not going to come and redo two years worth of work if something goes wrong. And that can happen. And, if that were to happen, I would not blame them. I'd blame myself for being a moron and not having my own backups. Maybe I'll figure out a way to use their active sync technology while still satisfying the requirement for solid redundant backups. Until then, I have enough problems with other stuff to have to worry about having only one copy of our projects stored anywhere, local or not.

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

#288

Hey guys - Dropbox product manager here, tl;dr: The scenario described by the OP is now less likely to occur. Since October, individual Dropbox users are encouraged to create separate accounts when invited to a Team and warned that Teams admins will have control over the account. We want individual and Team Dropbox users to have the best possible experience. Some users want to migrate their personal accounts into a T…

People should not need to switch accounts.

IMHO Dropbox should not count Team shared files onto each member. Let the admin pay the bills.

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

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While I feel for your colleague, I have to wonder why he didn't have a backup if these files were important enough to spend several days trying to get them back.[1] [1] http://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html

People frequently confuse file syncing facilities with backup facilities, and I don't think Dropbox does much to clarify which one they are. Although, I thought Dropbox kept a history on each file going back a month.....

What? Dropbox literally advertises themselves as a backup solution.

Re: How to terminate your worst enemy's Dropbox account for only $795

#290
Local mirrored copies of all files on separate hard drive. Bank safety deposit box with bluray discs of files for long-term storage, things that rarely change (my photography work alone is several TBs). Rapidshare (using 3TB right now for the same $8 a month, I accept it's not the most reliable place if a Megaupload situation ever happened). Skydrive for my important documents and programming work. Small program I wrote makes the Rapidshare/Skydrive backups incremental and encrypted on a regular schedule.
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