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Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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Re: Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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Post by Davidzheng »

curt15 wrote: post #279
Davidzheng wrote: post #172

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I don't even understand the conflict tbh. Probably I'm just dense. Tristan is not claiming NS, just a huge advance which may solve NS soon. OAI is claiming NS and willing to credit Tristan for the ideas and publish after. Oai offers two options, the second Tristan views as dishonest. But Tristan rejects the first, why? Because he thinks it's theft? But then why would OAI threaten him?

> But Tristan rejects the first, why? Because he thinks it's theft? But then why would OAI threaten him? Did the first offer also come with the outrageous condition that he exclude his co-author from the credit?

But i don't understand what OAI is offering in the first offer to allow them to believe they can demand that? Not publishing before Tristan? If they really beat Tristan to the publication i would consider it truly morally corrupt conduct so i feel like you can't make an offer like if you give me something i won't be totally corrupt

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Post by duped »

Drblessing wrote: post #271
bhouston wrote: post #191

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> Ignoring the drama But the drama here is a little important. Stealing the millennium prize for N-S is sort of a big deal, especially to those who had been working on it for the last few years.

The math is all that matters.

That's a very sad way to look at this

Re: Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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Post by curt15 »

tristanj wrote: post #176
Davidzheng wrote: post #172

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I don't even understand the conflict tbh. Probably I'm just dense. Tristan is not claiming NS, just a huge advance which may solve NS soon. OAI is claiming NS and willing to credit Tristan for the ideas and publish after. Oai offers two options, the second Tristan views as dishonest. But Tristan rejects the first, why? Because he thinks it's theft? But then why would OAI threaten him?

He claims to have found a counterexample for NS (see the second paragraph of the article), but the paper is not ready yet. OpenAI claims to already have a full proof (which they produced in the past 5 days after the rumors leaked). Hence the dispute. What I find interesting is the timeline of when he found counterexample for NS is very unclear. Did Tristan find a counterexample weeks ago or was it very recently? Was…

Hypo-dissipative NS != NS

Re: Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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Post by jere »

Drblessing wrote: post #271
bhouston wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ignoring the drama But the drama here is a little important. Stealing the millennium prize for N-S is sort of a big deal, especially to those who had been working on it for the last few years.

The math is all that matters.

Math, like any other human endeavor, doesn't exist until someone is motivated to invent it. The laws of the universe aren't understood until someone is motivated to discover them. So it might be worthwhile to not completely ignore discussion about incentives.

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Post by perching_aix »

singularity2001 wrote: post #183
n2d4 wrote: post #83

Drama/accusation summary: - Aug 15th: Tristan Buckmaster & Levent Alpöge make progress on a few important math problems, "finite-time blowup with smooth forcing for incompressible porous media, for Boussinesq, and for 3d incompressible Euler." - they do NOT have a proof for the $1,000,000 Millenium Prize problem. BUT, they do claim to have a proof for a similar (non-Millenium) Navier Stokes problem that could help le…

Ignoring the drama, when can we expect the lean proof of this great sensational discovery?

right on release for both? such a strangely pointed question, as if it wasn't customary by this point...

Re: Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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n2d4 wrote: post #83

Drama/accusation summary: - Aug 15th: Tristan Buckmaster & Levent Alpöge make progress on a few important math problems, "finite-time blowup with smooth forcing for incompressible porous media, for Boussinesq, and for 3d incompressible Euler." - they do NOT have a proof for the $1,000,000 Millenium Prize problem. BUT, they do claim to have a proof for a similar (non-Millenium) Navier Stokes problem that could help le…

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Re: Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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Post by hn_acc1 »

simianwords wrote: post #220
onidj wrote: post #163

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It seems exceptionally unlikely to me that OpenAI would be "reading user prompts". More likely is a leak somewhere else. Obviously Anthropic/OpenAI are engaged in espionage stuff with each other. I am guessing Levent just mentioned something to someone at Anthropic and it got out.

why is this downvoted? do people really think OpenAI is snooping at people specifically? like they are looking for good leads into new problems or ideas and they found this guy's codex thread and used it? come on man, even for conspiracy theories this is stupid.

Even if they claim not to use it, they're probably using it and hoping they don't get caught. They have zero ethics or morals, they just want to "win" to get mega-rich.

Re: Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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Post by hn_acc1 »

simianwords wrote: post #229
gcr wrote: post #227

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this is a highly marketable problem and specific teams at OpenAI were aware of specific competitor efforts. I would be surprised if this were happening on a large scale, but 1. Less than a hundred people in the world are working at this problem, 2. A significant fraction of those happen to work at competing hyperscalers, 3. Those hyperscalers repeatedly show themselves not to take user privacy seriously

I'm not sure what your points 1 and 2 have to do with anything. Both directionally increase the probability of hyperscalers also finding the solution independently. > Those hyperscalers repeatedly show themselves not to take user privacy seriously where? Any examples?

Have you been living under a rock? None of the big tech companies care one bit about user privacy in the US.

Re: Navier-Stokes – Tristan Buckmaster [pdf]

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Post by phyzome »

Drblessing wrote: post #271
bhouston wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ignoring the drama But the drama here is a little important. Stealing the millennium prize for N-S is sort of a big deal, especially to those who had been working on it for the last few years.

The math is all that matters.

Math is largely performed in collaboration. Collaboration requires trust. If people like you had their way, we would lose trust, therefore collaboration, and therefore progress.

So if math is all that matters to you, you should care about this.

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